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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#101

I just love that in the minds of Westerners, 'Chinese company does X' is the equivalent of 'China does X', and when queried on why they think this, they'll tell you that Xi Jinping, like Oz the Great Wizard, pulls the levers of more than a billion Chinese individuals from behind the curtain.

This is a pretty dismissive exaggeration of people's thoughts. China does, famously, control businesses. It doesn't have to be absolute dictation of every decision to warrant suspicion.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#102
post #89

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Yandex removing displayed borders doesn't move us in any way closer to borderless world in reality. No country is seriously considering it. It's not a canary for anything - they stopped displaying borders exactly because countries/people care about those a lot.

> No country is seriously considering it Schengen says hi.

These border checks are waived, not abolished. In times of crisis, they can (and were, during the Pandemic for example) reinstated. Countries can impose movement restriction for internal regions as well, but these carry a much higher legal overhead.

Also, Schengen borders are transparent only for full EU residents. If your visa and right of abode is restricted to a particular country, the borders are still very relevant.

Even for EU residents, the borders are still relevant as they demarcate places with quite different civil and penal law codes.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#103
post #44

The chinese have official response: https://m.163.com/news/article/IICVKOU50001899O.html?spss=ad...

Gosh, wish this were translated. Could you tell us what it says ?

It basically says that the foreign ministry says they have a formal relationship with Israel and that the ministry publishes an official map with Israel on it and that if you search for Israel on any of those map providers it will show Israel.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Tourist endeavors really care about borders for 2 aspects: as barriers, and as places where legal or social rules change. If administrative borders had their powers limited to, say, statistical purposes, and not social obstacles, a tourist would stop caring about them. Interfacing with humans does not necessarily have to be done along social borders. I'm sure it wasn't that way before the rise of the nation-state. Ev…

If I'm reading it correctly then, you're aftually advocating for a massive paradigm change in our social and political life, and not for a small UI change in mapping software. Which I did not pick up from your initial post within this context, but fair enough!:)

I'm actually curious about the UI change in mapping software as well. The current cartography is focused on human-scale things, rather than geological-scale things. It's hard to find a map that gives topography as much space as it gives to roads, even when visiting some mountain ranges. In the lowlands, tourist maps still focus on roads and town names disproportionately more than on the type of environment and natural landmarks.

On a global scale, when the country borders are removed, we find ourselves lost, despite the huge ecological and geological diversity of the place, which makes our - or at least mine - experience as a inhabitant of this amazing place so much poorer. Compare the difficulty of finding the Atacama desert versus Luxembourg. How often do you see a whole-Earth map with the desert marked but not the state?

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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post #90

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I have to ask you - do you have substantial firsthand experience on how businesses operate in China or are you just 'well read' on the subject?

A bit hard to find open, unbiased, and independent information about a country that forcibly suppresses anything negative about itself, isn't it? Jack Ma criticized the government and suddenly disappeared for years losing his position at the company in the process. If they can do that to one of the most powerful people in the country, they can do it to anyone else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma#Disappearance_…

Jack Ma never disappeared though, same case with the Chinese Tenis player. Thats the exact same thing the other poster was criticizing. Its the western media making up stories to fit the anti-china narrative.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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We stopped requiring photos on CVs because some employers cared about them a lot (in order to discriminate).

"we" is not all countries of the world.

Sadly. It does't detract from my point, though: caring about something can result in bad consequences.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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> The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. I'm curious what you're defining as antisemitic here. I've seen a lot of claims that being anti-Israeli-government is equivalent to antisemitism, but this is objectively not the case.

From the top of my head - direct praises of hamas, sharing of the paratrooper meme, sharing of the star of david beheading babies meme and generally a lot of people direct or indirect calling that the Israeli deserved it. There are a lot of Mia Khalifas out there. Since october 7th there I have observed (probably because a lot of people I follow on twitter are jewish, so they kinda amplify the nasty content) serious…

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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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"we" is not all countries of the world.

Sadly. It does't detract from my point, though: caring about something can result in bad consequences.

But it's categorically different. Removing pictures from CVs so that corps are unable to discriminate based on that image still maintains the concept of "employee". Doesn't removing borders effectively remove the concept of "citizen/national"?
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