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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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I just love that in the minds of Westerners, 'Chinese company does X' is the equivalent of 'China does X', and when queried on why they think this, they'll tell you that Xi Jinping, like Oz the Great Wizard, pulls the levers of more than a billion Chinese individuals from behind the curtain.

To be fair, it basically is, you won't get very far in China without the CCP's approval.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#82

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The most antisemitism lately in my twitter feed comes from the academia and leftist intellectuals. The right leaning seems to be a pro make gaza the biggest parking in the middle east breed.

Did you read the article? >"It's really the fault of Little Mustache," wrote a netizen. "If he had burned all of them (Jews), we wouldn't have this much trouble." Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.

> Nobody on the left or right in the west is that anti-Semitic, at least not publicly.

Jews in the west are afraid to go to universities. Stars of david were drawn on many houses in France. In a Palestinian demonstration where they called for a Palestinian state from river to sea (elimination of Israel), the only arrested person is a Jewish woman who confronted them.

I don't rush to call people antisemitic, I think most of them are just "useful idiots" for the Hamas/Iran propaganda. But there are also some people who are letting old prejudice rise and using this as an opportunity. This isn't mainstream but that's how these things start...

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#83

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Guy in tweet also adds: “Major provocation from China.” If this is a major provocation I’d hate to see what he considers something more substantive than a UI change.

Why should Israel respond as if this is less serious than China does when Taiwan is listed on a map? China is extremely offended when that happens — and should be held to the same standard, regarding others.

China is extremely offended by a lot of things done by a lot of countries. Welcome to the club.

What this definitely is not is a major provocation.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#84

I just love that in the minds of Westerners, 'Chinese company does X' is the equivalent of 'China does X', and when queried on why they think this, they'll tell you that Xi Jinping, like Oz the Great Wizard, pulls the levers of more than a billion Chinese individuals from behind the curtain.

All companies in China are under control of the CCP so it's the same thing. The "West" isn't an authoritarian state so this might be why people think of it like this.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#85

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I mean, depends on use case right? Certainly for travel and navigation purposes I very much want to know when I'm about to leave a country :-). For any economical or political review as well, country birders are extremely relevant data. There certainly are geology and other scientific endeavours which perhaps don't care too much for countries, but even they probably need them when they interface with regular humans (…

Tourist endeavors really care about borders for 2 aspects: as barriers, and as places where legal or social rules change. If administrative borders had their powers limited to, say, statistical purposes, and not social obstacles, a tourist would stop caring about them. Interfacing with humans does not necessarily have to be done along social borders. I'm sure it wasn't that way before the rise of the nation-state. Ev…

If I'm reading it correctly then, you're aftually advocating for a massive paradigm change in our social and political life, and not for a small UI change in mapping software.

Which I did not pick up from your initial post within this context, but fair enough!:)

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#86

I see we're going from "UI changes, the cause or reason of which we don't know" to "geopolitics" without considering any of the obvious alternative explanations. If China decides (and no-one is saying that it has) that it no longer recognizes Israel, then it will simply announce that, and not get a private company to make subtle UI changes to reflect a secret policy instead.

it also has little incentive to do so, as it's positioning itself as a possible mediator, one that also does a lot of business with Israel. And remember, the thing that led to the short animosity between China and the Soviet Union (well, one of the things) was that the SU was a country with a mission to spread its system, while China wasn't, and isn't. China seeks to do business with everyone without telling them how to run their affairs, quite unlike the US.

The more likely explanation is that the companies are catering to their custmer base. As in most of the world, there is huge public support to stop the killing of Gazans. Western companies, and companies in Wester-capured neocolonies, can't show support for Gaza. Maybe this is ALibaba testing out if it can. It'll be interesting to see if it lasts, or if it gets changed again in a few days. This should tell you more.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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Russia has (had?) good relations with Israel, despite a large number of differences with it. Then again, Russia would definitely benefit from the conflict if it heats up further.

Bibi tried to be friends with Putin and avoided sending weapons to Ukraine, while Russian PMCs Wagner and Redut trained Hamas. Hopefully Israel will be rethinking both the relationship with Russia and the relationship with Bibi.

Putin tried to be friends with Bibi, while Israel bombed Russia's Syrian allies where they see fit, and paid lip service to Ukraine.

In fact, still tries in the face of accusations that are flying around.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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post #84

I just love that in the minds of Westerners, 'Chinese company does X' is the equivalent of 'China does X', and when queried on why they think this, they'll tell you that Xi Jinping, like Oz the Great Wizard, pulls the levers of more than a billion Chinese individuals from behind the curtain.

All companies in China are under control of the CCP so it's the same thing. The "West" isn't an authoritarian state so this might be why people think of it like this.

I have to ask you - do you have substantial firsthand experience on how businesses operate in China or are you just 'well read' on the subject?

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

#89

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When we're borderless, there's no border for your car to cross.

Yandex removing displayed borders doesn't move us in any way closer to borderless world in reality. No country is seriously considering it. It's not a canary for anything - they stopped displaying borders exactly because countries/people care about those a lot.

> No country is seriously considering it

Schengen says hi.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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post #84

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All companies in China are under control of the CCP so it's the same thing. The "West" isn't an authoritarian state so this might be why people think of it like this.

I have to ask you - do you have substantial firsthand experience on how businesses operate in China or are you just 'well read' on the subject?

A bit hard to find open, unbiased, and independent information about a country that forcibly suppresses anything negative about itself, isn't it? Jack Ma criticized the government and suddenly disappeared for years losing his position at the company in the process. If they can do that to one of the most powerful people in the country, they can do it to anyone else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma#Disappearance_from_the...

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