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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by giraffe_lady »

Name_Chawps wrote: post #191
atleastoptimal wrote: post #179

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Frankly that superiority complex may be why neurodivergent people with similar ideas about "normal" people have issues getting along with others, no offense.

Autistic people are often seen as arrogant because they speak honestly about their strengths (and weaknesses), whereas normal people avoid speaking honestly about their strengths unless they are arrogant.

We are also liable to mistake politeness and tact for incompetence or foolish "herd behavior." Something I've realized as I've aged as an autistic person is that I was quite obnoxious about this in my youth. Neurotypical people are typically much more aware of the social context of their words and actions than we give them credit for: they aren't stupid they are trying not to embarrass us or be cruel.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by giraffe_lady »

tysam_and wrote: post #204
nathan_compton wrote: post #116

I have mild autism (not entirely politically correct to describe it that way) without intellectual impairments and I frankly see normal people as disabled.

I have autism as well. I don't see normal people as disabled, just different. I think seeing normal people as disabled is a rather myopic perspective, and I sometimes hear it from the community. I don't like it, personally. Typically I believe because many of the times I hear it, it comes with a need for superiority of some kind, and that gets in the way of other various practical things. It's the same kind of tradeo…

> I believe that the reason that many autism traits and cPTSD traits are similar is because they are one and the same -- that they are an emergent result of autism as a result of culture and the world

Something I once heard an autism specialist therapist say was she didn't believe there were any autistic adults without cPTSD. That growing up and entering the world autistic in any of our societies is inherently traumatic. And that one of the big projects for autistic adults is figuring out how to differentiate their autism features from their ptsd symptoms.

It's a pretty hot take and I came to realize it as more of a therapist's practical starting point than a literal fact about EVERY every autistic person. But it's given me a lot to think about and use over the years.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by omginternets »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #284
omginternets wrote: post #118

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>How does that make sense? In a word: discernment. If it's a miniature poodle, you can probably chill. If it's a big dog, it's probably worthwhile to enforce the law. It actually is a pretty good example of overreach insofar as you're advocating the removal of any judgement call from the equation. That is the surest way to build a relentless bureaucratic machine that makes everyone miserable without actually protecti…

because if there's one thing lapdogs are known for, it's a lack of violence. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/... Now consider why it is you didn't know this?

You are reasoning in terms of total elimination of risk. That is the source of our disagreement.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by giraffe_lady »

golergka wrote: post #252
lucubratory wrote: post #217

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A situation where someone requires help but is not receiving it is unjust, because people's needs are not being met while others have more than they need. It is also unfair, because if you require help and have several randomly distributed attributes, you will receive that help, whereas if you require help and do not have those random accidents of birth you generally will not receive that help. That is definitionally…

This doesn't really makes sense. Two things that you mention, like determining what people need and role of random chance, don't have anything to do with justice. For me, justice is fulfilment of obligations between people, that we either take explicitly (as promises or contracts), or a very limited number that should be implicitly upheld by all — about aggression and property. But while helping others is a good deed…

I'm not the person you're talking to but I am autistic and I do experience a powerful obligation to help others in need. I feel it deeply in my very soul and I always have; I experience every choice not to act on it as a crushing moral and spiritual failure. I understand this isn't typical but surely you can see that it is a possible experience of the world for some people to have?

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by omginternets »

eightysixfour wrote: post #178
omginternets wrote: post #163

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Literally nobody in this conversation is arguing that they should be able to do what they want.

That is what arguments like this are: > In a word: discernment. If it's a miniature poodle, you can probably chill. If it's a big dog, it's probably worthwhile to enforce the law. Your whole argument is “judgement is an important component of the law” but what that leads to is differing judgements on what we can do. What individual is so far above reproach that they should have the right to discern whether the situat…

Indeed it is. Applying judgement and "you can do whatever you want" are not the same thing.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

omginternets wrote: post #333
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #284

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because if there's one thing lapdogs are known for, it's a lack of violence. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/... Now consider why it is you didn't know this?

You are reasoning in terms of total elimination of risk. That is the source of our disagreement.

I was pointing out your discernment of lapdogs is completely off base from reality, undermining your own point.

You respond with a strawman.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by P_I_Staker »

permo-w wrote: post #154
wkat4242 wrote: post #140

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I know what you mean. I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs. At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign. She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All th…

this effect seems to be especially true in airports. they seem to particularly inspire dumb herd behaviour. perhaps there's an increase in perceived danger leading to a stronger desire for safety in numbers? another example: queueing to board the plane. other than to fit in, why on earth would I stand there and compete to spend more time in a sweaty uncomfortable seat packed with 400 other people? plus, if you get on…

These days it makes sense to queue up and make sure your bag don't get checked, but I had the same initial observations.

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Post by InSteady »

doktrin wrote: post #286
COOL_DUDE_2112 wrote: post #214

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> Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist. Well that's just bad situational awareness... you can keep an eye on hands, pockets etc when confronting injustice, an…

This is a delusional take. Your karate class hasn’t prepared you to survive - let alone “stop” - a knife attack and the sooner you disabuse yourself of that notion the better.

Most effective knife defense training:

if you see a knife, run the fuck away.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by InSteady »

082349872349872 wrote: post #17
082349872349872 wrote: post #2

My wife recently discovered "Young Sheldon", and one of the most egregious goofs so far is the idea that Sheldon would suffer from stage fright. We both agree that stage fright is something probably only suffered by people who care about the opinions of strangers.

thanks all! I stand corrected...

:)

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by InSteady »

InSteady wrote: post #316
ddmf wrote: post #293

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Kim Peak wasn't even autistic. Have a look at the DSM or ICD diagnosis criteria https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/diagnos...

>Kim Peak wasn't even autistic. That is a weird thing to say. He was misdiagnosed. He has FG syndrome.

Oops. This was not a weird thing to say, I misunderstood.
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