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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by lucubratory »

zaptrem wrote: post #279
golergka wrote: post #252

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This doesn't really makes sense. Two things that you mention, like determining what people need and role of random chance, don't have anything to do with justice. For me, justice is fulfilment of obligations between people, that we either take explicitly (as promises or contracts), or a very limited number that should be implicitly upheld by all — about aggression and property. But while helping others is a good deed…

Why are you censoring that word?

They are most likely Jewish.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

mjburgess wrote: post #273
jchanimal wrote: post #127

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I think the op is saying, and I might not disagree with them, that a world where dogs run free is a better world, even if it’s more dangerous.

I'm saying a world with too many of these signs in it is worse than one with too few. I'd prefer to visit a park with unleashed dogs than one where busy-bodies were constantly on the look out for rule violations. The second one feels more unsafe to me; more repulsive; more invasive. A busy-body is a much worse creature than a dog

I once walked up to a woman in a parking lot at night while she was putting groceries away (we were coming out of a grocery store).

She turns and says "please get away from me" in a way that made it obvious she was irrationally fearful, no idea why but I can guess. Most people would not have reacted in that manner.

My point is this: Go tell the victims of dog attacks they're being busy-bodies by wanting dogs leashed in the park.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

omginternets wrote: post #107
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #101

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> It feels like something is going wrong here in your connecting a dog being off a leash with somehow empathy for the dog. If that dog bites someone it dies, how is that not empathetic? dogs are typically required to be on leashes in parks and public areas for a reason.

There is such a thing as a well-behaved dog. I don't see the social benefit of enforcing every last little law on the books all the time. I think laws (the kind we're talking about, anyway) are best seen as a tool for maintaining public order. If police encounter something dangerous or immediately disorderly, they can express their reasons for intervening in terms of laws. If you run open headers on your car and caus…

dogs have attacked their owners, this idea that owners somehow are the best judge of what their pet will or will not do is probably not a reliable one.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

omginternets wrote: post #118
idiotsecant wrote: post #111

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Ok, let's say your dog is well behaved. I think we can agree that lots of other people who think that their dog is well behaved actually have a dog that is potentially dangerous. How am I supposed to know by looking at you and your dog which it is? So now I get to feel in danger so that you can feel slightly more at home. How does that make sense? This is an excellent example of 'ridiculous government overreach' that…

>How does that make sense? In a word: discernment. If it's a miniature poodle, you can probably chill. If it's a big dog, it's probably worthwhile to enforce the law. It actually is a pretty good example of overreach insofar as you're advocating the removal of any judgement call from the equation. That is the surest way to build a relentless bureaucratic machine that makes everyone miserable without actually protecti…

because if there's one thing lapdogs are known for, it's a lack of violence.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/...

Now consider why it is you didn't know this?

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

deadbeeves wrote: post #136
Buttons840 wrote: post #130

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If they feel threatened by dogs off leashes, that's them, let them live. It seems perfectly reasonable for such a person to go someplace where dogs must be on leashes.

I'm not saying they shouldn't live, I'm saying that if off-leash dogs scare you and you don't want to be scared, you shouldn't be outside. Even if every last dog owner kept their dog on a leash at all times, there would still be some dogs without a leash, and all of them would be outside your house. I assume any person would understand that by the time they reach adulthood and either learn to deal with the fact that…

you've never actually been threatened by a dog off a leash have you?

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by doktrin »

COOL_DUDE_2112 wrote: post #214
lusus_naturae wrote: post #189

Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist.

> Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist. Well that's just bad situational awareness... you can keep an eye on hands, pockets etc when confronting injustice, an…

This is a delusional take. Your karate class hasn’t prepared you to survive - let alone “stop” - a knife attack and the sooner you disabuse yourself of that notion the better.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by doktrin »

lusus_naturae wrote: post #189

Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist.

It’s wild you’re getting downvoted. Probably speaks to HN being comprised of sheltered upper middle class nerds whose idea of “injustice” is being denied WFH 5 days a week.

All you folks who think you’re ready to step in and play captain white knight save-a-hoe are in for the rudest of awakenings when you try this in a situation you have inevitably misjudged.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

guraf wrote: post #205
NeuroCoder wrote: post #135

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I might be missing something here. What does this have to do with this article concerning ASD and the bystander effect.

This has nothing to do with the article. He's just showing his poor lack of conversational skills, typical of the condition that makes him "superior".

relevant

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by mjburgess »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #282
mjburgess wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying a world with too many of these signs in it is worse than one with too few. I'd prefer to visit a park with unleashed dogs than one where busy-bodies were constantly on the look out for rule violations. The second one feels more unsafe to me; more repulsive; more invasive. A busy-body is a much worse creature than a dog

I once walked up to a woman in a parking lot at night while she was putting groceries away (we were coming out of a grocery store). She turns and says "please get away from me" in a way that made it obvious she was irrationally fearful, no idea why but I can guess. Most people would not have reacted in that manner. My point is this: Go tell the victims of dog attacks they're being busy-bodies by wanting dogs leashed…

I doubt the victims are. Its those people wandering through parks having this fantasy of victimisation to drive their 'compassionate' impulse to police others.

If you wander around the world engaged in these fantasies, and police everyone around you such, then you're creating a nightmare for people to live in.

Do you imagine teenagers attacking people, and then keep them out of parks? They're vastly more dangerous than dogs.

Do you imagine so for everything? For knives and forks? For trees? Why! Trees do fall and kill people, we must be ever vigilant for the person with a tree on their property who has not put signs up warning people.

Yes, the world has some minimal danger to it; and people are routinely injured one way or another. If you spend your life in fantasies of this danger you'll only make the world doubly unbearable -- as unsafe as it ever was, and now with self-appointed social police making sure no one can enjoy it

If there's a dangerous dog in a park, that's a problem -- and call the police; make laws against it; make it a crime to own a dangerous dog.

But if there isnt, if you're just having this fantasy that some random guy walking some random dog is endangering the people in the park -- well, I dislike you much more than I dislike that dog. And I'd like a sign to keep you out of the park.

But people who make signs arent the kind to make that one; they're the busy-bodies.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by hollerith »

mjburgess wrote: post #289
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once walked up to a woman in a parking lot at night while she was putting groceries away (we were coming out of a grocery store). She turns and says "please get away from me" in a way that made it obvious she was irrationally fearful, no idea why but I can guess. Most people would not have reacted in that manner. My point is this: Go tell the victims of dog attacks they're being busy-bodies by wanting dogs leashed…

I doubt the victims are. Its those people wandering through parks having this fantasy of victimisation to drive their 'compassionate' impulse to police others. If you wander around the world engaged in these fantasies, and police everyone around you such, then you're creating a nightmare for people to live in. Do you imagine teenagers attacking people, and then keep them out of parks? They're vastly more dangerous th…

Do you own a pit bull by any chance?
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