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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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My wife recently discovered "Young Sheldon", and one of the most egregious goofs so far is the idea that Sheldon would suffer from stage fright. We both agree that stage fright is something probably only suffered by people who care about the opinions of strangers.

Being on a stage is moving into a situation you are not familiar with, and making a performance, which is different to the general opinion of strangers.

If you rescue someone, that's all about that person's safety - which has got just about zero to do with getting on a stage and making something all about yourself.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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For adults at least there's also the calculation of "What will this cost me?" You will see people with Downs syndrome force themselves between people fighting without considering that they might themselves be hurt, while the rest of us "normies" makes the calculation that there are twenty guys beating up a single person and they could just as easily take you out as well. In professional settings we see people not spe…

"Sociopathic" is not just another word for "selfish".

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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For me it's more along the lines of "am I the best person here for this?" and "does anyone else have information I don't?"

If you read the research for the bystander effect it's mostly about putting a bunch of people in front of a crisis and seeing how long it takes them to respond. When (minor) crises have happened in front of me, I feel a sense of rising pressure to do something as time passes. When I'm in a position of above baseline expertise (fire marshal in front of a fire, guy with first aid certificate near a probable concussion) it rises faster; when someone else takes charge the pressure goes away. On this basis I think part of the bystander effect happens because something like an informal leader election is taking place.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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I have mild autism (not entirely politically correct to describe it that way) without intellectual impairments and I frankly see normal people as disabled.

I might be missing something here. What does this have to do with this article concerning ASD and the bystander effect.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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If just seeing a dog without a leash is enough for you to feel in danger you probably shouldn't leave your home, let alone go to the park. That aside, you don't have a right to not feel in danger. You don't even have a right to not be in danger, though you do have a right to not be put in danger deliberately or by negligence.

If they feel threatened by dogs off leashes, that's them, let them live. It seems perfectly reasonable for such a person to go someplace where dogs must be on leashes.

I'm not saying they shouldn't live, I'm saying that if off-leash dogs scare you and you don't want to be scared, you shouldn't be outside. Even if every last dog owner kept their dog on a leash at all times, there would still be some dogs without a leash, and all of them would be outside your house. I assume any person would understand that by the time they reach adulthood and either learn to deal with the fact that some dogs they run into won't have a leash, or they stop going outside if they can't deal with it. Stubbornly refusing to accept reality is childish.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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“With autism” A large portion of the autistic community is very against this phrasing. Autism is not a disease you carry, or something you “have”. It should be used as an adjective to describe a person: “Autistic people less likely to succumb to bystander effect” Edit: If you follow through to the actual paper referenced you can see they use the correct phrasing.

The journalists and corporate communication people seem to be in disagreement with this. There has been a big push to change everything to be "person of" or "person with". "Person with vision impairment" rather than "blind person". To emphasize that they are regular people first.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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It might be important to realise that signs and rules are made up by sign-makers and rule-makers; often to their benefit. Reality doesnt come with a rule about leashing dogs on grass. It feels like something is going wrong here in your connecting a dog being off a leash with somehow empathy for the dog. I read your impulse to act here as your mind being hijacked by the sign-maker to conscript you into their preferred…

This struck me as so absurdly anti-social with a pinch of blatant dismissal for why certain rules in public spaces exist to begin with that it reads like you're intentionally trolling the parent in bad faith. You know what also doesn't care about the rules of ordered society and the potentially deadly consequences of breaking them? Animals. Disagree? Only a fool spitting into the wind would permit me to unleash my se…

That’s a petty aggressive and condescending response. I have a pretty big dog (GS mix) and she’d likely never be fast enough to catch a squirrel or bird unless she’s lucky (I also trained that response out of her very early on) and she was definitely faster than Dobermans at the park in her prime. Also, even if she did, it’s not like she’s that foreign a concept - dogs are everywhere and squirrels and birds already deal with predators. I honor it in parks that are protected reserves but if there’s a local park with such signage I’d probably ignore it, particularly if no one else is around (more about making them uncomfortable than anything else).

> You know what also doesn't care about the rules of ordered society and the potentially deadly consequences of breaking them? Animals.

You say that like it’s some curse word. Hate to break it to you, but doesn’t matter how many rules you create and try to enforce to “civilize” humans, humans are animals. Always have been, always will be. I would say that developing an understanding of why rules might be implemented and correctly evaluating the “harm” (societal and to any given individual) of breaking it is what being a functional adult human is. Similarly owning the consequences if your rule breaking behavior resulted in some harm is also called for.

Heck, you’re on a website with close ties to YCombinator, an accelerator for Silicon Valley startups often famous for “disrupting” by blatantly ignoring old laws and seeing if they can grow and corner the market before the regulators catch on so that they get entrenched as the incumbents once the regulators do do something.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

#139

My wife recently discovered "Young Sheldon", and one of the most egregious goofs so far is the idea that Sheldon would suffer from stage fright. We both agree that stage fright is something probably only suffered by people who care about the opinions of strangers.

I don't know about this. I think things like stage fright can be more nuanced than just caring about other's opinions.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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I have mild autism (not entirely politically correct to describe it that way) without intellectual impairments and I frankly see normal people as disabled.

I know what you mean.

I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs.

At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign.

She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All those people couldn't be wrong, right? I explained I guessed they were all just dumbly following the herd without looking which wouldn't even occur to me. I don't really have that autopilot herd-following program in me. Even when I'm in a group I'm navigating as if I were alone.

So we got to the end and there were 6 free booths in front of us and all the other passengers were queuing up for the 2 unmanned non-EU passport booths :') a security guard had to let them into the right queue.

This applies to the bystander effect too. I'm not surprised about this conclusion at all.

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