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Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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When we're borderless, there's no border for your car to cross.

Yandex removing displayed borders doesn't move us in any way closer to borderless world in reality. No country is seriously considering it. It's not a canary for anything - they stopped displaying borders exactly because countries/people care about those a lot.

We stopped requiring photos on CVs because some employers cared about them a lot (in order to discriminate).

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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As Palestinians are technically Semitic people, the right is also antisemitic. :^)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_(linguistics)

You do realize that I made my comment as a tongue-in-cheek?

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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When you're near a border you typically don't want to get your car ride routed over 2 border crossings just because it's the shortest path. Skipping the borders is definitely not a "better off" situation.

When we're borderless, there's no border for your car to cross.

That's a big hypothetical. Mapping companies are not the arbiters of where borders exist. Knowledge of where de facto borders are is pretty useful for directions.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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I don't understand this. China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. Why would this happen? I'm not very knowledgeable in this subject but it looks to me like some mistake or bug? Or just "when a country's name is displayed at when zoom level compared to the size and shape of said country"?

>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

>China is very anti-Israel

That's just completely false. China and Israel has always had a decently warm relationship, so much so Israel was selling weapons to China until the U.S. forced them to stop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations...

The Israel-Palestine conflict is one place where they have disagreement, but overall the two countries are on friendly terms.

And you do know Voice of America is an U.S. government funded propaganda outlet right?

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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By right-leaning I guess you mean neocon. I am right-leaning myself and my point of view is that we shouldn't interfere and that if both countries disappear it may be for the best.

> that if both countries disappear it may be for the best. Quoting in hopes that you read your own words and think about them a bit longer.

It's what I've thought for a long time. I don't mean that we should provoke it, in fact we should steer clear, but they are both enemies of the West, so I wouldn't shed a tear.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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I don't see any country names on the map. When I type 'israel' into the search bar I get the same chinese characters that are being shown under Jerusalem (耶路撒冷) -- I don't ready or speak any chinese -- If I play with the zoom I see many small countries without labels (no idea what they say) -- cyprus, israel, and lebenon included

Not being able to read Chinese explains your difficulty spotting country names on a Chinese map, but you could have tried using a dictionary to find out what labels to expect for Cyprus (塞浦路斯), Israel (以色列), Palestine (巴勒斯坦), Lebanon (黎巴嫩) etc.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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That's the "lip-service to democracy" line from privileged (all the way to neo-colonial) powers. It's more like a handful of privileged countries behaving as if they own the world, and their client states (who the first have no problem if they're theocratic or dictatorships or brutal far right as long as they are their allies), against the developing world and any country with claims to sovereignity.

I wonder where would you put countries like Norway or Poland.

Nordic countries are traditional client states. Poland is semi-client with gradiose dreams of its own.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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>China is not exactly pro-muslim as we all know. China is very anti-Israel, the government has condemned Israel and called for a two-state solution. And the online discourse there is extremely anti-Semitic, the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo) is basically Gab. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitic-comments-flood-china...

>China is very anti-Israel That's just completely false. China and Israel has always had a decently warm relationship, so much so Israel was selling weapons to China until the U.S. forced them to stop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations... The Israel-Palestine conflict is one place where they have disagreement, but overall the two countries are on friendly terms. And you do know Voice of Ame…

The answer is somewhere in between. China is more aligned to the east and Israel is firmly aligned to the US. So China implicitly picks the opposite side but does so "gently" because they want to profit off the west and not alienate it too much.

They would very much like to see Israel knocked down a peg as Israel serves as a demo of the US army capabilities.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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I mean, depends on use case right? Certainly for travel and navigation purposes I very much want to know when I'm about to leave a country :-). For any economical or political review as well, country birders are extremely relevant data. There certainly are geology and other scientific endeavours which perhaps don't care too much for countries, but even they probably need them when they interface with regular humans (…

Tourist endeavors really care about borders for 2 aspects: as barriers, and as places where legal or social rules change. If administrative borders had their powers limited to, say, statistical purposes, and not social obstacles, a tourist would stop caring about them. Interfacing with humans does not necessarily have to be done along social borders. I'm sure it wasn't that way before the rise of the nation-state. Ev…

I am pretty sure that you needed to know who controlled what territory all across human history.

The planet is populated everywhere, and you need to know who's in power pretty much everywhere you're going, or else you might have a bad time.

Re: Israel was removed from Baidu Maps earlier today

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I wonder where would you put countries like Norway or Poland.

Norway is a US client state; Poland could become sovereign but they're too busy trying to annoy literally everyone doing any business with them from any side, for whatever reason.

Can you explain?
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