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People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by taneq »

Obscurity4340 wrote: post #186
taneq wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're highly comorbid with a lot of common traits.

I just wonder if sociality and ease of establishing and maintaining rapport is contraindicative of ASPD/autism stuff or whether it really is not only just a spectrum in the sense of a spectrum of impairment but also on a continuum from ASPD/autism "Normal" where impairment can still exist as a sort of sub-spectrum without wholly subjugating me to that subclassification where i could otherwise ddmobstrate skills and t…

When you say "ASPD/autism" do you mean "ASD/autism"? ASPD is something very different (antisocial personality disorder, which sometimes used to be called psychopathy / sociopathy).

My understanding of the term 'spectrum' in this context is less "a scale from 0-100%" and more "a collection of traits which, if you have enough of them, would suggest you fit into this larger category".

In terms of being being able to navigate social situations, look up 'masking'. Many people on the spectrum learn to behave (sometimes very effectively) in 'normal' ways in social situations but it's a set of learned scripts and behaviours rather than being instinctive.

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Post by Arrath »

taneq wrote: post #182
wkat4242 wrote: post #140

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I know what you mean. I remember one time I got off the plane in Italy and I was walking with my girlfriend to customs. At one point we branched off from all the other passengers and she was like "hey we're going the wrong way, everyone is heading there". And I said nope this is the EU passengers exit, look at the sign. She couldn't believe it was right because the plane was full of others from our EU country. All th…

Reminds me of one time when we had a power outage in the central train station, there was a long queue of people lined up at the (stationary) escalator while the stairs next to it were empty. I just shrugged and went up the stairs, but I do wonder what all those people were thinking.

"Ugh, I hate the stairs I'm sure this escalator will start up any time..."

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

taneq wrote: post #211
Obscurity4340 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wonder if sociality and ease of establishing and maintaining rapport is contraindicative of ASPD/autism stuff or whether it really is not only just a spectrum in the sense of a spectrum of impairment but also on a continuum from ASPD/autism "Normal" where impairment can still exist as a sort of sub-spectrum without wholly subjugating me to that subclassification where i could otherwise ddmobstrate skills and t…

When you say "ASPD/autism" do you mean "ASD/autism"? ASPD is something very different (antisocial personality disorder, which sometimes used to be called psychopathy / sociopathy). My understanding of the term 'spectrum' in this context is less "a scale from 0-100%" and more "a collection of traits which, if you have enough of them, would suggest you fit into this larger category". In terms of being being able to nav…

Yes ur correct that was an oversight. ASD/autism, although for all i know theres aspd also. Fugh

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by COOL_DUDE_2112 »

lusus_naturae wrote: post #189

Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist.

> Standing up for people who can't is important, but any situation calls ensuring your own safety as well—you can't help anyone if you end up a victim yourself. The worse story in recent memory is of someone who got stabbed to death in a subway because they spoke up against someone else being racist.

Well that's just bad situational awareness... you can keep an eye on hands, pockets etc when confronting injustice, and if you've taken martial arts you know how to stop a knife attack.

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by tysam_and »

Name_Chawps wrote: post #191
atleastoptimal wrote: post #179

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Frankly that superiority complex may be why neurodivergent people with similar ideas about "normal" people have issues getting along with others, no offense.

Autistic people are often seen as arrogant because they speak honestly about their strengths (and weaknesses), whereas normal people avoid speaking honestly about their strengths unless they are arrogant.

This is many times in my experience not the case, autistic people still have very strong biases hidden under a layer of seeming logic. Incorrect, very confidently held opinions (perseverance -- the trait) are things I see often in the community, I believe.

Bluntness != correctness.

We have the normal emotions and human flaws, they're just expressed differently.

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Post by lucubratory »

golergka wrote: post #197
lucubratory wrote: post #187

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I am autistic as well and what you are saying makes no sense to me. When someone is in need around me and requires help, by definition they need help and are not currently receiving it, which is an injustice and unfair. Therefore I have to remedy the injustice, therefore I have to help. That is how I experience the autistic sense of justice. How are you reconciling that contradiction?

Why do you perceive somebody who needs held and requires it as injustice? Helping others is an ethical thing, the right thing to do, but never an obligation that we owe them.

A situation where someone requires help but is not receiving it is unjust, because people's needs are not being met while others have more than they need. It is also unfair, because if you require help and have several randomly distributed attributes, you will receive that help, whereas if you require help and do not have those random accidents of birth you generally will not receive that help. That is definitionally unfair, because random chance is deciding the outcomes of people's lives.

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Post by fsckboy »

xwdv wrote: post #156
permo-w wrote: post #154

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this effect seems to be especially true in airports. they seem to particularly inspire dumb herd behaviour. perhaps there's an increase in perceived danger leading to a stronger desire for safety in numbers? another example: queueing to board the plane. other than to fit in, why on earth would I stand there and compete to spend more time in a sweaty uncomfortable seat packed with 400 other people? plus, if you get on…

The reason becomes apparent when you take a carry on bag and find yourself desperately searching for somewhere to put it in an overhead bin, but there is none. You boarded too late and everyone ahead of you stole your allotted space. NOW you have to check in your carry on. And waste time waiting for your bag at the baggage claim. If it even makes it. Your bag has much higher chance of being lost if checked in late.

>The reason becomes apparent when you take a carry on bag

your unreason will become apparent when you check that bag and stroll completely unencumbered through the vast distances twixt curb and plane (x2 departure and arrival)

baggage claim really doesn't take that long, and you can come up with something zen to do for 5 or 10 minutes, make a phone call or two, talk to family or friends. Life is better when you stop inconveniencing yourself and creating a rat race when there isn't one. Let everyone around you fight over the overheads.

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Post by COOL_DUDE_2112 »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #41
js8 wrote: post #23

There was a similar article postulating that dissidents (for example from Eastern Europe) are often on the spectrum, for that very reason, if they see injustice, they are vocal about it.

If you can, please link to it. I would like to read it. Because a prominent feature of dissidents in the USSR and Putin’s Russia is that they often retreated into private worlds (samizdat literature, organizing cultural events privately in their own flats, writing for their desk drawer) instead of overtly challenging the regime. To the point where such dissidents can be suspicious of those who are vocal: people who a…

>a prominent feature of dissidents in the USSR and Putin’s Russia is that they often retreated into private worlds (samizdat literature, organizing cultural events privately in their own flats, writing for their desk drawer) instead of overtly challenging the regime. To the point where such dissidents can be suspicious of those who are vocal

How times change. I can't speak on places I've never been, but in my homeland I have organized events in my home for folks from Russia and other places. I had a reputation as being a "milquetoast neoliberal" right up until the moment some old comrades saw me standing next to a crowd with my backpack despite always being the one who stood by the door, opening it only if it seemed certain it would be broken down to demand a warrant as folks filed out the back.

In modern times, activism seems performative -- lots of people who retweet and reshare things not attached to their real name, while a much smaller number took incredible risks -- financial, social, personal... to change the very architecture of the internet to make resistance more possible.

But I didn't bust a window during the G20 or write "ACAB" on my Tinder, so I'm not cool enough for the local collective.

It's ok to be VOCAL, as in... go to a protest. But if you do it performative, not with the expectation this is the beginning of a slow suicide... you're a fool.

We've got a generation that forgets things like the original members of one of the few true Russian punk bands I've encountered did not speak English, were thrown into a literal gulag, then had the name carried on by another generation as they rotted in the worst types of jail.

The "ulterior motive" you mention I oft see is oganized crime... they hate "the state" so they can keep young women (and men) addicted to drugs, pimped out, and, if they get out of line, scooped up by "the state" they claim to hate as they go muck about in so called civil society, stymying progress that would bring about true change such folks could live in harmony rather than scam credit cards and hook folks on overpriced black market drugs that if legalized, would still cause issues, but be more like alcohol in terms of issues created rather than a pathway to white slavery.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: to be a dissident is a forever decision, often a form of slow suicide, and no one should be shamed for taking another path, for life is precious and not everyone is suited for this work.

(I wasn't. I made bad decisions, and I'm stuck with them.)

Re: People with autism less likely to succumb to bystander effect, research finds

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Post by tysam_and »

samplatt wrote: post #168
explorigin wrote: post #152

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ASD is very dynamic. It is not linear spectrum, think of it more like a polar graph. I would think 67 may be enough people to get an idea for one "hallmark" but certainly not all of them as a comprehension.

Many ASD-related surveys are not confirmed-diagnosed either, but only self-reporting as ASD. I mean I get it, it'd be a colossal pain to verify all that medical data, but it also makes for bad science.

Self reporting autism can be surprisingly accurate.
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