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Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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I don't think this is even going to stop the Cronus. The Cronus already requires an OEM controller plugged into it to authenticate. If it does, a Cronus firmware update will probably figure out a way around it as it has an OEM device to work with. For what it's worth, I own a Cronus and it's not nearly as much of an advantage as they sell it as. I bought it just to use as a fightstick adapter and it's kind of mediocr…

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Meh I'm a 40 year old man with the reflexes of a 60 year old man. I didn't buy it to cheat at online games, I don't play them.

I bought it so I could use my PS3 fightsticks in Soul Calibur 6. The Brook adapter works(worked, past tense soon?) way better and is way more cost effective.

The Cronus might make you a little better at a game if you're already really good. If you're bad at the game like me, you're still going to be bad at it.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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No, they are not doing this to stop cheaters. It might be a nice side effect. They are doing it because money.

They are most definitely doing this to combat cheaters. I tried out Cronus + KBM on my friend's Xbox S and it was comical. I had aim assist, no recoil and a keyboard and mouse. I was running 100:3 K:D on COD:MW2. If you don't think cheating is a big part of the reason you've never played console games competitively.

I wonder what popular Twitch streamers are going to do once their Cronus Zen is detected.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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Again, this should not be news. These "game platforms" (read: desktops whom are sold but never convey ownership), assume anti-enduder at every step of the way. It was surprising MS allowed 3rs party anything at all. This is why we need strong purchase-owner regulations. Cause this shit is a rental at best. Who controls it? The owner (read: Microsoft).

A lot of people locked down game platforms because they just want to have a seamless plug and play experience to play games without drivers, compatibility issues, or cheating. From the couch. On a 60” living room tv.

I certainly do, and so my gaming buddies. Every like 5-7 years or so we need to buy a new $400-$500 console. Seems like a good deal to me. We started back in the day on Xbox 360, now are on Xbox One, and sometime soon will migrate to Series X.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

#44
Why not block third party controls in the online components only, even allow a ‘ranked’ that requires authorised hardware.

This is a money grab and not anything else, presumably do this now, and start pumping out console exclusives ones the rage has died down.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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I think that this is a response to the rising usage of the Cronus and/or other controller modification tools that give players advantages (cheats). For example one of these "Mods" for Cronus state that they are: a dynamic, fully-automated Anti-Recoil system that transforms your in-game character into a laser-guided juggernaut we've affectionately dubbed as [BEAM] Battling cheaters in video games is a never-ending cha…

No, they are not doing this to stop cheaters. It might be a nice side effect. They are doing it because money.

Why wouldn't you think it's both?

they obviously care about money and selling periphials is money... but so is selling consoles.

If they can't control the cheaters in some fashion (losing battle and all that) then they will sell less consoles because why would people pay for that? (unless you're a cheater paying for it but that's besides the point).

The problem you have is that you think there's only one answer to this and the answers is the want to stop the cheaters AND they want money because cheaters affect both.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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post #7

I think that this is a response to the rising usage of the Cronus and/or other controller modification tools that give players advantages (cheats). For example one of these "Mods" for Cronus state that they are: a dynamic, fully-automated Anti-Recoil system that transforms your in-game character into a laser-guided juggernaut we've affectionately dubbed as [BEAM] Battling cheaters in video games is a never-ending cha…

I generally agree with the accessibility arguments against doing anything for this, but if you are going to do something, I feel like "give dev's a way to opt into this check, limit to online play" feels like a reasonable system. That would allow fighting games in particular to not opt in.

Sony has something like this setup with screen recording, where some parts of games (cutscenes in some stuff) can't get recorded. It's annoying, but at least it's not the whole game, and the feature exists.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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I was always baffled how M$ actually took over the controller game on PC as well. But this is also pretty greedy and obviously just for the money. Like if people wan to buy some crap that breaks in 30 days they should be, the market should decide. They should also buy some innovative controller from "unauthorized" companies that just work.

I mean its great to have a standardized button layout but we pretty much had that even B4 Xbox was were basically forced on every PC gamer. Games and steam also support PS controllers but I read all the time that games are lacking the icons or that they do not work correctly.

I recently bought a Turtle Beach controller that has button below that act like stick presses, I think the elite controller have that as well but it was cheaper and has no stupid wireless I do not need. Anyway I really do not like the fact that they have to pay some licensing fees or need to get it officially approve from fucking M$. I remember back in the day were you could actually use any controller in games, I do not think it works like that these days. You need like xbox controller emulator and shit so I just buy them begrudgingly. There would be more innovation like the Steam Controller (just on better, from someone else, never used one but the layout made no sense to me like the buttons below the pad but it was a step in the right direction I think) if M$ would not had this monopoly on their controllers that never really change.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they are not doing this to stop cheaters. It might be a nice side effect. They are doing it because money.

They are most definitely doing this to combat cheaters. I tried out Cronus + KBM on my friend's Xbox S and it was comical. I had aim assist, no recoil and a keyboard and mouse. I was running 100:3 K:D on COD:MW2. If you don't think cheating is a big part of the reason you've never played console games competitively.

If they were trying to combat cheaters, they wouldn't have released an official controller that allows generic, 3rd party, unauthenticated inputs: the Xbox Adaptive Controller.

It would be pretty trivial to hook up a Pi Pico through the jacks and USB ports to be able to make a KBM adapter like that. There just hasn't been a point making such a device when the xim/cronus works fine.

It might not even need the jacks, according to https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/account-profile/accessib... the USB-A ports accept HID gamepads.

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not all 3rd party controllers. It is "unauthorized accessory" controllers which excludes devices that are part of the "designed for Xbox” hardware partner program.

So become part of their cartel or die?

or join with the authorities to maintain law and order.

You spin it as "cartel" but why can't it be spun as Law & Order?

Or do you think that cheaters should have unrestricted control and the ability to destroy the economy of any given game? You think people will play on platforms that aren't working to keep things even?

This is the same argument for P2W games where you can just pay to be the best. A few people will argue for that as they drop thousands to get those "rare" loot boxes and the rest will say "it's no fun to play a game against someone who's paying to be better than they really are".

Re: Xbox will block third-party controllers to "preserve the console experience"

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post #7

I think that this is a response to the rising usage of the Cronus and/or other controller modification tools that give players advantages (cheats). For example one of these "Mods" for Cronus state that they are: a dynamic, fully-automated Anti-Recoil system that transforms your in-game character into a laser-guided juggernaut we've affectionately dubbed as [BEAM] Battling cheaters in video games is a never-ending cha…

If it's to stop cheaters, then why not disable the controller only during multiplayer?
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