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Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by nathanasmith »

chii wrote: post #568
taftster wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not many other good choices, these days. All of the useful tech support sites have been overrun with trolls. stackoverflow, for example. Github issues is probably the best place, but when its abused, there's just no more appropriate place to go. Do you have better suggestions if not Reddit?

dont ask for tech support on this particular problem, and instead just wait for an update. It's unlikely that any report from any user is going to add nor be helpful anyway.

Exactly. It either works or it doesn't today. If it doesn't I assume it'll be fixed soon so I'll come back tomorrow.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by AlexVN »

eqvinox wrote: post #427

This is of course bringing up the discussion on the "morality" of Adblocking. I'd like to point out something that I don't think is getting enough attention. There was a point in the past where video platforms were competing, and by no means was it clear that YouTube would end up dominating this area to the point of being close to a monopoly. When YouTube won that race, they won it with a given set of parameters, inc…

I'm not sure it's a question of what's "fair" or "right" or "legal". We (as a society) need to figure out what incentive we want to impose on the world.

We (through a convoluted, but in the end democratic process that is supposed to represent the will of the people) decided that piracy is illegal not because there is some divine right of authors to get compensated, but because we believe that by making piracy too common we would kill the incentive for the future authors to create.

Similary, we will need to decide on the laws around ad blocking. If we decide to keep it accessable, then the downside is that both the infrastructure work done by Google (or its competitors) and the creative work done by authors will become less profitable and thus the quality will decline. If we don't envision this happening, we should definetly get ad blockers without a second thought.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by lebed2045 »

sensanaty wrote: post #656
eqvinox wrote: post #427

This is of course bringing up the discussion on the "morality" of Adblocking. I'd like to point out something that I don't think is getting enough attention. There was a point in the past where video platforms were competing, and by no means was it clear that YouTube would end up dominating this area to the point of being close to a monopoly. When YouTube won that race, they won it with a given set of parameters, inc…

Morally, I consider ads to be outright evil, especially the modern day cancer we call advertisement where they track every singular molecule of your existence. As soon as these scumbags stop hiring psychologists and other similar professionals to make the most addicting and psychologically impactful advertisements possible, then maybe I'll consider them less than pure evil. I still have uBlock turned off on a few sit…

a counter take from me, as someone who uses adblocks everywhere possible but used to work for facebook ads department:

ads aren't inherently bad, irregardless of much data do they track. What really bad is how this ads is targeted and how much ads is delivered. I would LOVE to see relevant to my interested and situation ads. I like fpv drones and often see interested ads on instagram and led to a purchase. The problem after that I can't just edit the vector of my interests for ads targeting and keep bombarded with something not relevant to my situation anymore, and boy so much of it I see.

I really don't know why big ads network didn't move forward with user controlled ads mechanics - because we all humans buy something anyway, it's okay of being aware of the options on the market. It's not okay to mentally torture users with irrelevant, annoying and overwhelming amount of ads.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by sweeter »

hellojesus wrote: post #735
sweeter wrote: post #728

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I'm sorry to tell you this, but this is a complete fantasy that completely ignores the point that was made a couple of comments above. No one is undercutting Google. Period.and that is the point. They have a death grip on the user base. Just look at Twitter, it completely spit in everyone's faces and even still people cannot get out of its grips on them. The only platforms that have even remotely survived are platfor…

> Just look at Twitter, it completely spit in everyone's faces and even still people cannot get out of its grips on them. People can get out of them. People refuse to get out of them. Likely this is because YouTube and Twitter are still the most efficient platforms regardless of their regressions. I used to have FB. Now I don't. I used to have Twitter. Now I don't. I used to have Android. Now I have Grapheneos. I use…

I didn't even mention regulation. You're circle jerking with yourself with a fantasy idea of the "free market" that doesn't exist in reality. You can't consume your way out of large corporations having market dominance, idk where that insane notion even is born.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by leventonportera »

raincole wrote: post #492
leventonportera wrote: post #394

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This is false logic. Youtube is free to not show anyone anything - once they send me data and it leaves their system, they have no claim to it. When I shout on a public street "sing me the Francoise Hardy version of I'll Be Seeing You," no one has to reply. If they do reply, but they decide to sing a 2 minute ad for a pyramid scheme first, I am free to cover my ears till the song comes on. Google's servers have a pub…

> they are free to ignore any request I shout at them Exactly . That's why they're blocking ad-blocker users now. You're describing the exact thing they are doing and going to do more. Guess you're actually supporting Youtuber's policy.

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Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by sam0x17 »

eqvinox wrote: post #427

This is of course bringing up the discussion on the "morality" of Adblocking. I'd like to point out something that I don't think is getting enough attention. There was a point in the past where video platforms were competing, and by no means was it clear that YouTube would end up dominating this area to the point of being close to a monopoly. When YouTube won that race, they won it with a given set of parameters, inc…

> This is of course bringing up the discussion on the "morality" of Adblocking. I'd like to point out something that I don't think is getting enough attention.

Don't forget the flipside, the "morality" of interfering with a user's freedom to selectively ignore certain content.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by perryizgr8 »

okdood64 wrote: post #688
aezart wrote: post #622

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You've never seen a "this video is sponsored by..." segment?

That's not an ad in the context of this thread. It's something edited into the video by the creator themselves.

It's an ad by any definition. If I'm paying to remove ads, but ads are not removed, whats the point?

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by akshayt »

kevincox wrote: post #706
kzrdude wrote: post #640

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I signed up for nebula too, but it's clear that nebula is not a competitive platform. Nebula does the basics, it has channels and it shows videos, that part is great. Youtube is great because of the wide availability of videos, recommendations and (maybe not great because of this) the comments. I know the comments are not that well liked, but it means the videos are not in a vacuum. They are in a social context. And…

This doesn't actually bother me. I find video recommendations on social media and via other channels I follow. I think the big downside here is that without any sort of free tier less people recommend Nebula channels because most people can't watch the content. Most often it is a YouTube recommendation that I then see is on Nebula. I think in an ideal world the recommendation engine and video host would be separated.…

Grayjay does that but it is currently limited to a few platforms

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by andirk »

bigthymer wrote: post #194
andirk wrote: post #142

Let's consider other options. What about: - Select "Watch ads later" a few times, until required, so time sensitive situations aren't bothered - Choose "Watch 1 long ad, then no more today" and pay the piper all at once with a couple minutes of ads. - Only relevant ads! When I worked at [video game news co], video game content got video game ads. The now defunct Grooveshark's ads were bands showcasing their music and…

> - Choose "Watch 1 long ad, then no more today" and pay the piper all at once with a couple minutes of ads. People would walk away and do something else.

True, and we do, but broadcast and cable TV have done this for decades, and some current streaming services do this. If an advertiser wants to pay for guaranteed attention, maybe some sort of "click this dot in next 10 seconds" and the ad ends, else it'll play through. The online ad space is a pile. Silly options may work better than the current models.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by piyush_soni »

daeros wrote: post #356

While it has ultimately come up in this discussion my honest input is most of the comments I see here evaded the elephant in the room of all of it which is that Google doesn't do a good enough job of vetting the people who advertise with it, its search engines have repeatedly allowed malware to slip through the cracks leading to people being exploited and nothing stops those same malware developers from serving up ad…

I don't understand. Youtube is not forcing you to watch their videos, and that they show ads is an information you are already aware of before watching them. So I don't understand how it is YouTube's "Entitlement".
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