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Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by pohuing »

ndriscoll wrote: post #179
pohuing wrote: post #72

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Nonsense. I provide a service in exchange for payment, then not paying is entitlement.

If your form of payment is running malware, don't be surprised that security software (recommended by the FBI mind you[0]) blocks it. Same as if your form of payment were running a crypto miner or exploiting local IoT devices to set up a botnet. Don't be surprised also that if your business is distributing malware that people won't be very sympathetic toward you when they take the bait you offer without running the p…

Aren't ads in YouTube locked down to displaying a video and some plain text you fill into a template. Doesn't sound like a great attack vector. I understand this for shady file sharing sites, but in the case of yt I'm not so sure.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by pohuing »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #226
pohuing wrote: post #72

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Nonsense. I provide a service in exchange for payment, then not paying is entitlement.

Attention and personal information are not a valid payment methods. Either charge money up front or accept the risk we're going to delete your ads and block your tracking.

Why aren't they valid payment methods?

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by pohuing »

happytoexplain wrote: post #279
pohuing wrote: post #72

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Nonsense. I provide a service in exchange for payment, then not paying is entitlement.

You're implying that my not watching your short video that you sent to me is equivalent to my not paying for a service you just rendered. The fact that this extremist opinion is anything but ultra-fringe is evidence of the deeply greedy, entitled, irrational, antagonistic, dangerous, bully-ish relationship some businesses have with citizens. The internet is not a platform for exchanging services for the promise that…

Most Internet traffic happens with the agreement that you watch ads alongside the content you actually want to see. This is not a fringe position, it's the absolute majority of all traffic.

If you don't want to see the ads, you can just not use my service, what's so hard to understand there.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by oaththrowaway »

nomilk wrote: post #322
oaththrowaway wrote: post #32

I use NewPipe on my phone, SmartTubeNext on my Android TV, and uBlock+FF inside of a container without being logged in on my laptop. I was at a friend's house yesterday and they showed me a video on YouTube. I couldn't believe how many ads there were. It was unwatchable. Not sure how people don't pay for premium or block ads. What a miserable experience.

> uBlock+FF inside of a container without being logged in on my laptop Would love to see more newbie guides (perhaps videos hehe) on how to set this up. > couldn't believe how many ads there were. It was unwatchable. I'd go further, a single ad makes it unwatchable for me. That includes on work computers where I'm not (and can't) logged into my google account to access paid youtube without ads.

Just use this addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-conta...

And then never login. If you have uBlock Origin you won't see ads

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by least »

caconym_ wrote: post #349
least wrote: post #198

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> It also feels awful to be called a beggar and a panhandler just because you're trying to find a balance and build a sustainable project by having a donation popup (that can be disabled) in your software. Interrupting someone's browsing experience to ask for donations is both providing a poor user experience and is in poor taste. I think it's fine to solicit donations in the browserAction popup, the settings page or…

> doing so elsewhere would deservedly be criticized. I suggest that these people express their criticism by not using the software in question. I doubt the typical purveyor of free-as-in-* software who's stuck between a rock and a hard place re: monetization particularly cares what somebody who doesn't understand the personal specifics of their dilemma thinks about their chosen solution to it.

> I suggest that these people express their criticism by not using the software in question.

Do you also suggest that when an application is ad-ridden or potentially malware-ridden to also just not use the app? Naturally that's an option, but the review is to warn other users of their experience.

I don't think death threats or calling people slurs is appropriate, but the review being complained about it is pretty mundane.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by daeros »

While it has ultimately come up in this discussion my honest input is most of the comments I see here evaded the elephant in the room of all of it which is that Google doesn't do a good enough job of vetting the people who advertise with it, its search engines have repeatedly allowed malware to slip through the cracks leading to people being exploited and nothing stops those same malware developers from serving up ads on YouTube with the self same malware and engaging in malvertisement.

"Entitled" came up a lot, but I would have to disagree. Au contraire, YouTube is the one that feels "Entitled" to show me advertisements, even when that feature potentially exposes me to the risk of Malware.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by inopinatus »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #253
xboxnolifes wrote: post #239

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But cost effectiveness makes it sound like you can fix it by throwing money at it. The point is that you cannot fix it, even with infinite money, because you will reach zero users before you reach 0 fraud.

The way to fix it with infinite money is to have individual human curators (concierge services) for every customer. This eliminates fraud and makes a very, very easy-to-use "user interface" when the human concierges are well trained. Regardless, even if I'm wrong with "cost effective", the word still isn't "optimal".

However well trained they may be, humans are notoriously easy to manipulate and engineer around. Humans in a customer service role especially, since they are by definition expected to be helpful by default.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

"YouTube isn't rolling out the anti-adblock to everyone. It seems to depend on things like your account, browser, and IP address. And if you're not logged in or you're in a private window, you're safe."

If I am not mistaken one also needs to have Javascript enabled.

"And... if you're not logged in, you're safe."

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by shiroiuma »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #342
dessant wrote: post #117

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It also feels awful to be called a beggar and a panhandler just because you're trying to find a balance and build a sustainable project by having a donation popup (that can be disabled) in your software. This disgusting review was sitting at the top of the review page for Search by Image on the Chrome Web Store: https://i.imgur.com/P1QU176.png This person has edited their review a couple of times in the past year whi…

Create a wall of shame and let people laugh about the idiots. So simple.

It sounds good, but a lot of people just aren't mentally equipped for that: some people are fighters, some just aren't. So instead of confronting the assholes and putting up the "wall of shame" like you suggest, they'll just give up and go find another hobby that doesn't result in receiving such vile messages.

Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by chupapimunyenyo »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #358

"YouTube isn't rolling out the anti-adblock to everyone. It seems to depend on things like your account, browser, and IP address. And if you're not logged in or you're in a private window, you're safe." If I am not mistaken one also needs to have Javascript enabled. "And... if you're not logged in, you're safe."

Youtube doesn't work with javascript off, I don't understand your point. It's like saying you need to have your computer on
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