> 100 passengers have queued up to board a plane, and are lined up in the order of the seats on the plane (n=1..100). However, the first person lost his ticket and selects a random seat. The remaining passengers will occupy their assigned seat if it is available, or a random seat otherwise. What is the probability that passenger 100 sits in seat 100? It really worried me that I couldn't figure out how to work that ou…
I have no idea if that is correct, but my initial intuition was that it would be a high percentage like you found. However, now that I'm thinking about it, I believe the answer is closer to 50%. When passenger 100 begins to board, there are only two possible configurations he can find the seats in: seat 1 available or seat 100 available. If Passenger 1 sits in seat 100, then passengers 2-99 will sit in their correct…
How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
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Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#102> 100 passengers have queued up to board a plane, and are lined up in the order of the seats on the plane (n=1..100). However, the first person lost his ticket and selects a random seat. The remaining passengers will occupy their assigned seat if it is available, or a random seat otherwise. What is the probability that passenger 100 sits in seat 100? It really worried me that I couldn't figure out how to work that ou…
I have no idea if that is correct, but my initial intuition was that it would be a high percentage like you found. However, now that I'm thinking about it, I believe the answer is closer to 50%. When passenger 100 begins to board, there are only two possible configurations he can find the seats in: seat 1 available or seat 100 available. If Passenger 1 sits in seat 100, then passengers 2-99 will sit in their correct…
Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#103I know this is cliched, but of the ~30 students who started the Computer Science Ph.D. program at Stanford in 2006 with me, maybe 10 have dropped out. A few of those ten have gone onto successful startups and are now far, far, far wealthier than any of us who remained in the program could hope to be :)
I think one of the hardest parts about leaving is showing that you are moving onto better things; it's easier to _tell_ people you are leaving if you have a 150k+ offer. Leaving to try a startup would be socially difficult to communicate
Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What about negative anecdotes? Has anyone here regretted his or her decision to leave academia? Particularly, have you found the work less rewarding or interesting? I left academia after undergrad, despite applying and getting into graduate school. My degree is in Computer Science, my specialty track was Programming Languages and Compilers, and my senior thesis was in Systems Programming Languages. I had job offers…
Not sure where the edit-button went, but here's a reminder: I WROTE THIS WITH A DELIBERATE NEGATIVE BENT. I often perceive industrial programmers and entrepreneurs as unduly biased against academia, so upon the request to write an "irregular" anecdote bemoaning having strayed beyond the university walls, I tried to impart the same level of bias. So: * Take the above comment as pessimistic by design. * Think a little…
They hold this opinion out of fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of what they do not understand. Fear that a new research paper could make their jobs obsolete. But most of all, their fear that because they do not understand academic research, they are less intelligent and less capable.
So just think about it from their point of view. They are defending their own jobs and decisions in life, albeit subconsciously.
Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What about negative anecdotes? Has anyone here regretted his or her decision to leave academia? Particularly, have you found the work less rewarding or interesting? I left academia after undergrad, despite applying and getting into graduate school. My degree is in Computer Science, my specialty track was Programming Languages and Compilers, and my senior thesis was in Systems Programming Languages. I had job offers…
Of course everything you say about the software industry is true, right down to the "libertarianism and Austrian economics" (I take it you prefer critical race theory and postcolonial studies). Otherwise, your critics would have said something rather than just downvoting you. Your problem seems to be that you haven't considered the possibility that academia is even worse. Academia is even worse. (I dropped out of the…
Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What about negative anecdotes? Has anyone here regretted his or her decision to leave academia? Particularly, have you found the work less rewarding or interesting? I left academia after undergrad, despite applying and getting into graduate school. My degree is in Computer Science, my specialty track was Programming Languages and Compilers, and my senior thesis was in Systems Programming Languages. I had job offers…
Of course everything you say about the software industry is true, right down to the "libertarianism and Austrian economics" (I take it you prefer critical race theory and postcolonial studies). Otherwise, your critics would have said something rather than just downvoting you. Your problem seems to be that you haven't considered the possibility that academia is even worse. Academia is even worse. (I dropped out of the…
Why would I prefer that bunch of idiot hippies? My preference is for Karl Marx and Henry George (with the former being better at seeing what capitalism really is, and the latter being the better economist).
>Your problem seems to be that you haven't considered the possibility that academia is even worse. Academia is even worse. (I dropped out of the Berkeley PhD program in 1992 - specialty, OS and languages. From what I can tell, academia has only gotten worse since then.)
This is precisely what I was considering at the end of undergrad. Hell, I'm in basically the same specialty as you were.
>Even if you want to be a bureaucrat, there's no guarantee that you'll be good at it. Good bureaucrats don't write posts like the one you just wrote. They don't antagonize anyone, ever, in any way. They would rather lie - and they do. Are you good at that?
Cool story, bro. Do you think I didn't consider the office-political implications of what I wrote?
* Most academics don't read Hacker News.
* Most academics would perceive this as on their side.
* I openly admit that I wrote the post not even with mere bias but with an active bent towards an overly-negative portrayal of reality.
* Most start-up folks here on Hacker News don't necessarily agree in whole, but agree in part. I've seen Steve Yegge's speech referenced a disturbing number of times on Reddit and HN.
* Most of the votes have been upvotes, indicating a perception that the discussion is worth having rather than storming off in a huff and blacklisting the offending poster.
>You think someone is going to fund you just because you're smart and have cool ideas?
No, I thought someone was going to fund me because my adviser is well-known and prestigious within the field. There's no point breeding inferior academic DNA into myself, is there?
>Otherwise, the simplest way to do the kind of research you want to do is to decide quite consciously to give yourself over to the salt-mining industry in the most mercenary possible way, spend a decade making as much money as you possibly can (and spending as little as you can), and (if you succeed) found your own little university of one. It's not Victorian science, either, but I'll tell you it's a lot closer than Berkeley.
For my field I never even saw any point in applying to Berkeley, but how do you propose to go about this? Even the successful industrial programmers I know, unless they became millionaires off a start-up, did not actually make enough money to "settle down" out of working and "found your own little university of one."
Provided you had the cash, it does sound like a fine idea.
Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure where the edit-button went, but here's a reminder: I WROTE THIS WITH A DELIBERATE NEGATIVE BENT. I often perceive industrial programmers and entrepreneurs as unduly biased against academia, so upon the request to write an "irregular" anecdote bemoaning having strayed beyond the university walls, I tried to impart the same level of bias. So: * Take the above comment as pessimistic by design. * Think a little…
I agree with your take on industry's disdain and ignorance for academic research -- those are some of the most painful, agonizing conversations to endure in a professional context. They hold this opinion out of fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of what they do not understand. Fear that a new research paper could make their jobs obsolete. But most of all, their fear that because they do not understand academic research,…
And if I don't have that money, it's still someone else's to make.
Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course everything you say about the software industry is true, right down to the "libertarianism and Austrian economics" (I take it you prefer critical race theory and postcolonial studies). Otherwise, your critics would have said something rather than just downvoting you. Your problem seems to be that you haven't considered the possibility that academia is even worse. Academia is even worse. (I dropped out of the…
Not that it matters, but for "1992" read "1994." 1992 was when I started at UCB (and presumably around when eli_gottlieb was born).
Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#109I'm finishing my PhD, and starting a post-doc in the fall. I had wanted to break out into industry, because I didn't see myself in academia in the long term, but I didn't get anywhere with job applications, so here I am. I have a few questions: 1. My work consumes most of my time and energy - how would one find time to work on side projects and build a portfolio, when the academic workload is so all-consuming 2. I fe…
As a researcher who just accepted a private job, I do have some experience here. My advice is to make use of the fact that academic jobs usually have unsurpassed autonomy and flexibility. If you aren't looking to get a faculty job, think of the postdoc as a relatively low-stress way to prepare for the transition out of academia. Not to say you should blow your job off, but make use of the opportunity to learn things…
Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)
#110"In academia, the end product is a publication and your code needs to work only once. " In my experience as ex-academic, the above is all too true in too many computational fields (and many sub-fields of CS). So I ask what scientific value (or any kind of value, for that matter) is being generated by grinding out publications with results that won't be repeatable?
Lots of journals (at least in my biological sciences field) require you to submit your code along with your publication so that a) the editor can repeat your results to accept your publication and b) for other scientists to repeat your stuff. Biostatistics AFAIK has an editor responsible solely for reproduction of results.
Personally saying lots of my code is repeatedly re-used by colleagues who can't program, for example scripts that parse BLAST-output and get the best result for each query etc.