The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

More and more people are learning nothing and are just repeating propaganda and promoting hate.

I'm not denying there was violence against Arabs by Jews. I'm not denying there's settler harassment and land grabs. That does not justify the violence from the Arab side. It is not right but it also does not justify. If you're going to be stuck in 1947/1948 (and the picture isn't as simple as you're trying to paint it, conveniently forgetting the surrounding counties attacking Israel or the attacks of Arabs against Jews) then this is not going to get resolved. If the dialogue from the Palestinian side is stuck on their historic injustices, some of them are true, some of them maybe less true (to put mildly), without acknowledging the other side and without looking at how they might have contributed to where we stand they are going to lose more.

Israel's PR sucks and it's not that powerful. Public opinion changes on a dime.

EDIT: I just want to address a few more points:

- "Ivoking morality or rights when the occupier doesn't respect either". There is no equivalency here and there are important details that are intentionally left fuzzy in this statement. The morality of building a settlement on occupied territory (from Jordan) is not equivalent to the morality of shooting a baby in the head in front of their parents. There is no piece of land on this earth that is not built on "occupied" territory. What is different about the west bank is that its status has never been resolved after it was won from Jordan in 1967. Some refer to the entirety of Israel + West bank + Gaza as occupied territory which is factually wrong. The fuzziness here is not random, it is intentional.

- "original partition plan". Can you be more specific on the partition plan? It's generally the Arab side who avoids mentioning it and avoids mentioning that the Arabs rejected it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... "Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition".

- "war crimes". Generally speaking Israel is not committing war crimes. There is a vast legal apparatus in the IDF that advises on the legality of various actions. You may not like those those actions, and it's true that the Palestinians and some others label them as war crimes, but technically they are not. This is just more demonizing rhetoric justifying violence. It's basically blood libel. What most Arab PR calls a war crime is allowed under law of war. I'm sure there are some exceptions. The Israel-Arab situation is somewhat unique but if you compare to many other wars the Israelis are fighting relatively within the allowed legal frameworks. I think if you point out to specific actions, that are clearly war crimes, that's fine. If you just say "war crimes" that's propaganda.

'now' implies that both sides back down from their frankly ridiculous stances and that in turn would require both sides to drop some fragments of their religion and to start controlling the hardliners in their factions. But as long as Arab money and Iranian weapons subsidize Hamas, as long as Israel sabotages any kind of compromise or real government on the Palestinian side and as long as settlers continue to piecemeal expand the size of the state of Israel this isn't going to happen.

You can't have change without wanting change and you can't solve a problem if neither side really wants it solved. Israel would like Palestine to disappear and pretty much all of the Arab world wants Israel to disappear. If that doesn't change eventually one of these groups is going to get their way and that would be a loss for the world as a whole because I predict that that stain will not be easily washed away if at all.

Most, but not all of them.

>> Israel would like Palestine to disappear

There is more than a million Palestinians living and working in Israel as its citizens. They hold positions in offices even such as a supreme court judge.

>> as long as settlers continue to piecemeal expand the size of the state of Israel this isn't going to happen.

Israel removed all its settlers from Gaza in 2005. In return it received shelling from Hamas.

Hamas in not interested in solving anything, having talks about anything or making any kind of compromises.

That's fair.

> There is more than a million Palestinians living and working in Israel as its citizens. They hold positions in offices even such as a supreme court judge.

You equate 'Palestine' with 'Palestinians', that's not the same thing. It's on par with equating Israel with Israeli's and many would point out that there is a very important distinction between the two.

> Israel removed all its settlers from Gaza in 2005.

Yes, but they kept on settling more and more area in the West bank and continue to do so even today, almost two decades later. It's akin to removing 'whites' from areas that were to be turned into 'homelands' prior to the establishment of the 'Apartheid' doctrine in South Africa, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan , there are a lot of parallels between those and Gaza / West Bank.

> In return it received shelling from Hamas.

In 2005 Hamas was a fringe group and all eyes were on the Palestinian Authority, which Israel has structurally undermined while at the same time supporting Hamas.

> Hamas in not interested in solving anything, having talks about anything or making any kind of compromises.

Neither are the Israeli hardliners who make a lot of policy.