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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by sojacobs7 »

nknealk wrote: post #251
div_zero wrote: post #36

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I'm a technical writing manager on GCP, and we are actively working on improving Terraform documentation. Thank you for bringing up two significant problems with using TF on GCP. If you are willing (and of course have the time), we would love to hear other issues you - or anyone else who reads this thread - are having with TF documentation on GCP as we try and make things better.

Can you please update the terraform docs for google batch? In [1] it’s really difficult to know what everything in the json configuration is under the base64encode() call. What levers can I pull? How do I run something more complex than hello world? Do I need my CICD to upload scripts to GCS and have the instance download them at runtime and hardcode that path into the batch script? [1] https://cloud.google.com/batch…

It seems as though Google Batch does not have a native Terraform resource. The document in [1] seems like a workaround that leverages the Cloud Scheduler Terraform resource, but submit a job using the JSON configuration. The various fields that can be used in the JSON are within [2]. Regarding using GCS there is an example in [3]. I found more samples in [4]

[2] https://cloud.google.com/batch/docs/reference/rest/v1/projec... [3] https://cloud.google.com/batch/docs/create-run-job-storage#u... [4] https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/batch-samples/tree/ma...

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Alupis »

mattferderer wrote: post #202
Alupis wrote: post #85

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It's not entirely a fair take, since nobody figured out how to make cloud gaming feasible. They have all given up, or are in the process of giving up.

Didn't Microsoft just spend a year in court with their top VPs & CEO fighting against the UK & US governments over cloud gaming so that they could buy Activision for roughly $70 billion? I believe they had to make concessions with the UK to somewhat outsource the cloud gaming aspect of the deal so that it could go through. This was something they didn't seem to want to do but also forced them to extend their merger &…

It may have been a component, but no, the fight was over Call of Duty becoming an Xbox Exclusive Title, instead of being generally available on all platforms, including Playstation.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Alupis »

joseda-hg wrote: post #389
Alupis wrote: post #96

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The market is tiny (relatively) for all of these players. Motley Fool estimates the entire cloud gaming industry is ~$2.5B in total revenue for 2023. Many of the current services are likely running at a loss, hoping for the hype-train to get people into it. The reality is, most people wanting to play AAA titles either have a console, or a gaming computer already The cross-section of people with a 10 year old macbook,…

I honestly believe the market will get there eventually, it's a lot easier for a teen to justify a 18 dollar subscription to a parent than a 400 dollar console/PC

The problem is it's $18 today, during a period of loss leading behavior from the incumbents. When this technology needs to become profitable, it'll be vastly more expensive than it currently is. ie. the "Uber" effect.

Think about it... exclusive access to a 4090 GPU for up to 5-8 hours a day for $18? Isn't going to happen. The electricity alone will cost more than that to operate over a month.

That does not even factor in a relatively expensive high-bandwidth internet connection that a lot of the world doesn't have... and you still need a device capable of consuming 1080p, 1440p, or 4K content in near realtime - ie. it still has to be a relatively capable system.

The economics are dubious, to say the least. Emerging markets without a lot of average household disposable income is probably where this type of service will excel - and even there we're already seeing price increases and cuts to maximum daily playable hours.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by campers »

steveBK123 wrote: post #212
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

Isn't one of the foundational problems of GCP that it's not really core to Google themselves? AWS is basically the same infra Amazon runs their own business on, opened up for the world to use. Azure is the backbone that Microsoft sells you all their cloudified Office/Outlook/etc suite of tools. GCP is neither of those things to Google.

A good part of GCP is part of Core google infrastructure.

Spanner is used ubiquitously inside of Google, supporting services such as; Ads, Gmail and Photos. ... Spanner on the other hand processes 3 billion queries per second at peak, which is more than 20x higher [than DynamoDB], and has more than 12 exabytes of data under management. https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/databases/announcing-...

Google Colossus file system underpins all storage across Google services and GCP Cloud Storage. https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/storage-data-transfer...

Monarch: Google's Planet-Scale In-Memory Time Series Database, provides metrics for Google's own services and GCP Operation suite. https://research.google/pubs/pub50652/

Zanzibar: Google’s Consistent, Global Authorization System - underpins access control across Google's product and GCP IAM. https://research.google/pubs/pub48190/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/04/google-is-moving-parts-of-yo...

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Post by cvalka »

user3939382 wrote: post #353
derefr wrote: post #181

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> GCS Archive Storage Have you considered Backblaze B2? (It has free egress!) I think GCS is pretty good as a coherent offering that includes the various storage tiers + auto-classing + lifecycle notifications to pub/sub to feed Cloud Dataflow, etc. But if you're storing data purely for retention or disaster recovery, you should consider a service architected as a backup provider that happens to present an object-sto…

Or Wasabi

Or storj.io or rsync.net (backups only).

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by steren »

Ameo wrote: post #22

My two cents, GCP has a few excellent gems which are better than pretty much any competing cloud offering: - Cloud Run. Best way to deploy containers hands down. All of the benefits of a serverless/containerized workload with all the ease of a traditional VPS deployment. Extremely cheap (pay $0 for side projects with little traffic). - BigQuery. Very easy to use with immense power without having to deal with the deta…

Cloud Run product lead here. Your comment and its replies warm my heart. On behalf of the whole Cloud Run team: Thank you!

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Post by redditor98654 »

jsnell wrote: post #382
imwillofficial wrote: post #381

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You put a ton of effort into this post and it’s all consumer services. We are talking about the Cloud.

No, we aren't. Everybody complaining about Google having a reputation for killing products is talking about their consumer products. In fact, if you read just a few posts up, you'll see that in my first message I made the exact point about how Amazon!=AWS just like Google!=GCP. And the rebuttal was that Amazon actually rarely kills products. That's what I was replying to. If you want to say that Amazon's track record…

What about Google Cloud IOT?

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Post by redditor98654 »

Eridrus wrote: post #99
seanthemon wrote: post #55

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What an oddly aggressive comment - perhaps the problem isn't prediction but extrapolation of past experiences with Google, would you not agree that it gives you a sliver of worry that they may cut the service off? You seem very intense about Google's offering, maybe you feel attacked by the points made in the thread, but the way you're approaching this discussion is very strange.

I'm tired of reading the same thing over and over where people prognosticate based on poor readings of events and I think people should put there money where their mouth is. I really do not think the chance of GCP discontinuing a core service is high enough to warrant the level of comments this gets and if I find myself constantly reading these comments, maybe I can at least be compensated by people making bad bets o…

Do you not consider Google Cloud IOT an important service?

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Post by redditor98654 »

xyzelement wrote: post #157
akulbe wrote: post #71

All of the smack talk about AWS rings true in my experience. The documentation is terrible and incomplete. That said… there's one MASSIVE reason I trust AWS over GCP. Google has a knack for killing products/services. Even when they seem to be popular. You don't know if a service will exist next week. But you took the time to invest in the ecosystem and get to know the offering… But Google does what Google does, and o…

Has Google killed Cloud services people relied on? I am asking in good faith as I don't know. Whether Google kills random small-traction consumer products is kind of orthogonal to the Cloud question. If Amazon retail discontinues some Amazon Basics product, we don't read into that for AWS.

Google Cloud IOT.

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Post by nh2 »

derefr wrote: post #181
Ameo wrote: post #22

My two cents, GCP has a few excellent gems which are better than pretty much any competing cloud offering: - Cloud Run. Best way to deploy containers hands down. All of the benefits of a serverless/containerized workload with all the ease of a traditional VPS deployment. Extremely cheap (pay $0 for side projects with little traffic). - BigQuery. Very easy to use with immense power without having to deal with the deta…

> GCS Archive Storage Have you considered Backblaze B2? (It has free egress!) I think GCS is pretty good as a coherent offering that includes the various storage tiers + auto-classing + lifecycle notifications to pub/sub to feed Cloud Dataflow, etc. But if you're storing data purely for retention or disaster recovery, you should consider a service architected as a backup provider that happens to present an object-sto…

What is the current story regarding replication between B2 and GCS Archive Storage?

B2 currently costs 6 $/TB/month, GCS Archive Storage costs 5x less at 1.2 $/TB/month.

Do both of these guarantee that if a single data center location catches fire, your backups will not be lost?

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