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Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by schleck8 »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #64
codezero wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the maintainers added an inclusion statement onto the footer of the website and a few developers thought it was pushing an LGBT agenda so they quit. This was from a quick search, I’m sure there was more to it than that - one part was that some were mad they weren’t even consulted before it was added and misrepresented their views.

That inclusion statement seems very badly thought out and quite Western-centric. For many people in oppressive states who rely on censorship-resistant and privacy-guaranteeing software, being a dissident isn’t necessarily about defending minorities or trying to make the world a better place. It’s often about retreating into a private world with your fellows and trying to live your life as best you can under the circu…

Seems like you'd agree with their ideals then though

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by Borg3 »

SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #67
Borg3 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I need to take a look at this.. I hate Java. I wonder why such a low level thing does NOT have C implementation actually.

Perhaps security was a concern

Not only. Whole Java ecosystem is damn heavy.

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by edrxty »

birdyrooster wrote: post #27
bilegeek wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrenting is I2P's foot in the door for much wider adoption, which would help drive other types of usage. I really hope it takes off, especially since qBitTorrent 4.6 just integrated support; the current stagnation of filesharing, especially w.r.t. needing a VPN for everything, needs some shaking up.

We will still need VPNs to get good connectivity to other residential ISPs until some government entity (or market condition) inspires ISPs to invest in more hardware and peering with each other. CDNs and VPN providers are now sadly a requirement for the internet to work the way we expect it to.

How do VPNs improve connectivity between residential ISPs?

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by corbezzoli »

schleck8 wrote: post #91
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That inclusion statement seems very badly thought out and quite Western-centric. For many people in oppressive states who rely on censorship-resistant and privacy-guaranteeing software, being a dissident isn’t necessarily about defending minorities or trying to make the world a better place. It’s often about retreating into a private world with your fellows and trying to live your life as best you can under the circu…

Seems like you'd agree with their ideals then though

Privately agreeing might be preferable in countries where these projects are useful.

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

corbezzoli wrote: post #94
schleck8 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you'd agree with their ideals then though

Privately agreeing might be preferable in countries where these projects are useful.

Or not even agreeing. It has been fairly common for dissidents in the USSR and Putin’s Russia to express outright scorn for people who advocate for social justice, especially LGBT whom even dissidents might dislike. Social-justice advocates are seen as naive dreamers. Also, while people who support the regime are odious, those who actively work against it might be accused of allying with the country’s enemies.

As I said, the favoured course of action for some dissident communities is instead retreating into the private sphere and trying to live one’s best life there. I have heard that this is a common attitude among dissidents in China, too.

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by denton-scratch »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #95
corbezzoli wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privately agreeing might be preferable in countries where these projects are useful.

Or not even agreeing. It has been fairly common for dissidents in the USSR and Putin’s Russia to express outright scorn for people who advocate for social justice, especially LGBT whom even dissidents might dislike. Social-justice advocates are seen as naive dreamers. Also, while people who support the regime are odious, those who actively work against it might be accused of allying with the country’s enemies. As I s…

> the favoured course of action for some dissident communities is instead retreating

I'm not sure that this kind of passivity can properly be described as "dissidence". Surely dissidents are people who speak up, taking a risk with their own security?

At any rate, I don't want to quibble about semantics. If you disagree with your government, but aren't prepared to speak up, then you're at best getting in the way. Passivity is what authoritarian governments depend on, so passive "dissidents" are like collaborators.

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

denton-scratch wrote: post #96
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or not even agreeing. It has been fairly common for dissidents in the USSR and Putin’s Russia to express outright scorn for people who advocate for social justice, especially LGBT whom even dissidents might dislike. Social-justice advocates are seen as naive dreamers. Also, while people who support the regime are odious, those who actively work against it might be accused of allying with the country’s enemies. As I s…

> the favoured course of action for some dissident communities is instead retreating I'm not sure that this kind of passivity can properly be described as "dissidence". Surely dissidents are people who speak up, taking a risk with their own security? At any rate, I don't want to quibble about semantics. If you disagree with your government, but aren't prepared to speak up, then you're at best getting in the way. Pass…

That kind of passivity can most definitely be described as dissidence. Those Soviets who circulated literature through samizdat, who put on performances of disapproved modernist music or poetry in their own flats to a small circle of peers, etc. are commonly described as dissidents even when they never publicly challenged the authorities.

The claim that such dissidents are collaborators is, again, Western-centric. Dissidents can and have argued that the regime's internal contradictions will eventually undermine it, without them having to take actions that put themselves at risk or leave them open to accusations of aiding the enemy.

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by joemazerino »

codezero wrote: post #81
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That inclusion statement seems very badly thought out and quite Western-centric. For many people in oppressive states who rely on censorship-resistant and privacy-guaranteeing software, being a dissident isn’t necessarily about defending minorities or trying to make the world a better place. It’s often about retreating into a private world with your fellows and trying to live your life as best you can under the circu…

So would you say they would be better off to have stayed politically neutral?

Yep

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by master-lincoln »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #64
codezero wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the maintainers added an inclusion statement onto the footer of the website and a few developers thought it was pushing an LGBT agenda so they quit. This was from a quick search, I’m sure there was more to it than that - one part was that some were mad they weren’t even consulted before it was added and misrepresented their views.

That inclusion statement seems very badly thought out and quite Western-centric. For many people in oppressive states who rely on censorship-resistant and privacy-guaranteeing software, being a dissident isn’t necessarily about defending minorities or trying to make the world a better place. It’s often about retreating into a private world with your fellows and trying to live your life as best you can under the circu…

I disagree, because I think in the definition of the word dissident it's not enough to oppose a system mentally. It needs to be challenged actively. What you describe sounds more like what I would describe as society dropouts

Re: I2P: End-to-end encrypted and anonymous internet

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Post by master-lincoln »

efd6821b wrote: post #56

Tor Browser is Tor's killer app. I2P needs a secure simplified fingerprint-free browser that only does basic HTML, otherwise you're just asking for trouble.

Is there anything Tor related built into that browser? Couldn't I2P users also just use the Tor Browser and get the same benefits of less fingerprintability?
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