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How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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"When you are ready, the teacher will appear" - Buddhist saying. Getting through a PhD is easier and more fun if your mind is into it. Yours is clearly not, so why try to swim upstream? Go where your mind and soul are telling you that you belong. If you ever decide the PhD is the right move for you, you can re-open that chapter and go for it.

I'm getting ready for a change in career, and for the exact same reasons.

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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I received my PhD (Physics) in 1999 and went directly to industry. At that time I saw industry as a well paid post doc. My intention was to work a few years and then seek an academic position. In 2001 I had an offer from a top engineering school in Canada to join their faculty. And I said no. Academia attracted me with the promise of intellectual freedom -- the ability to work on what ever problems I wanted to. This…

I'm doing a Masters in theoretical physics and I've got to ask, is it common to first go work a few years before going into academia? It surprises me how little we are informed of these things.

Being locked in is my biggest fear for going for a PhD. I don't want to spend the rest of my life on a single topic, perhaps I don't even want to stay in theoretical physics.

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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I recently left my PhD program too (I'm "mastering out" in local parlance ;)) and what this post doesn't address is what I found to be the hardest part: making a decision to leave a world where people that leave are construed as a failures (note: contrary to my expectation, I've only received support in my decision from my awesome and anomalous department.) (Also, I should note that I left a software industry job to…

I took the same route, "mastering out", and that cultural perception that "leaving your PhD is failing at life" was my biggest hurdle. I knew I could get a job, knew that I could probably find something interesting, but the looks of pity and disgust from my colleagues were not so easy to ignore. I think the comment I heard most often was, "what a waste."

Until I was actually out. Then I started getting furtive emails asking me questions like, "how do you write a resume?", "is the pay ok?", and most often, "are you happy?"

I still think a PhD is absolutely worth it in many cases, and trains you to be a scientist better than any other path. But it's a long hard road, and there are many people out there (me included) who do it because it's presented as the default path. If you're interested in physics, or biology, or any other science, it's just what comes next after undergrad. And that's not a good enough reason.

Edit: 'You know, most Ph.D.ers are smart and successful people. Hence they have a difficulty in saying “This is not for me”. They instead say “I’ve been successful all my life, and I finished everything I started, so I should finish this as well”. By saying that, they choose to hang in there for many years in a depressed state.

This.

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly offtopic question: I re-read Odysseus a couple of weeks ago and was wondering about the name Telemachos. My rudimentary knowledge of etymology tells me that he's a "far away man". Given your username and the fact that you have a PhD in classics: what's your opinion of how the name/etymology of the character relates to the role that Telemachos plays in the epic? Obviously he's far away when Odysseus is out an…

tele = far machos = battle Perhaps it means that he was far away from the battle or it means that he battles from afar? The latter would seem a better fit for Odysseus himself.

You said it much more succinctly than I did. He "battles from afar" - that is with a bow - hits it on the head. It would not have been so unusual for a son to be named for an excellence of his father.

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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He's using Hyde and recommending the article's audience to use Django or Rails? If he's going to point out webdev with only some fleeting interest it might be more helpful just to say something like, "HTML/CSS is your new weekend project. Hardcode it in a couple hours or use whatever system gives you the least pain: SSG, framework, blog-based, etc."

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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Seriously? Learn web development? No one hires PhDs for web development skills. It is only useful if you want to be a pure software developer, not a quant or a data scientist. It might even be a negative when applying for some jobs.

Well they might not be hired to do just web development but I think learning about the web stack is incredibly useful because it helps you get your work out to people. This is important especially in a (early stage) start up where you might have to rapidly prototype solutions and you can't have your own pet designer to whip up visualizations for you. In fact, if you read the blogs of some of the data scientists at twitter/linkedin, its immediately clear that they have some know-how of the web stack in the way they are organizing and visualizing results. (Everyone likes pretty pictures)

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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Just tossing in that Finance isn't your only option for a healthy PhD paycheck in NYC. With exactly those same skills you could work in silicon alley or at a company like mine which does analysis on bank (or other corporate) data.

Also, you don't have to sell your soul to work outside of Academia. For example, we find terrorists and drug lord hiding cash in USA banks (Anti-Money Laundering) using machine learning. It's very satisfying and the pay is good too.

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

#38
I know a tenured professor who is well respected in his niche of engineering specialization. He has attracted several million dollars in grants. The research center he runs, in his words, is a startup with his own hard working employees.

Why work like you are working at a startup in some research lab with no stake?

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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> 100 passengers have queued up to board a plane, and are lined up in the order of the seats on the plane (n=1..100). However, the first person lost his ticket and selects a random seat. The remaining passengers will occupy their assigned seat if it is available, or a random seat otherwise. What is the probability that passenger 100 sits in seat 100? It really worried me that I couldn't figure out how to work that ou…

1. Wrong 2. Start with 2 passengers instead of 100 3. Rigorous proof would take a bit longer, say 15 minutes

Re: How to leave academia (for science PhDs)

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Just tossing in that Finance isn't your only option for a healthy PhD paycheck in NYC. With exactly those same skills you could work in silicon alley or at a company like mine which does analysis on bank (or other corporate) data. Also, you don't have to sell your soul to work outside of Academia. For example, we find terrorists and drug lord hiding cash in USA banks (Anti-Money Laundering) using machine learning. It…

Where are all this high paying jobs? Average data scientist salary at glassdoor is probably less than 100k.
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