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Re: Exclusive hardwood may be illegally harvested

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Post by wintogreen74 »

foobarian wrote: post #24
nemo44x wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never heard of Black Locust and I don’t recall it being an option when I built a deck a few years back (perhaps it was though!) but reading about it I wish I had. I ended up just using pressure treated pine (the exotics were 10’s of thousands more) but when it’s time to rebuild I’ll certainly consider Black locust. Apparently it takes stain well too.

My porch is made of that newfangled plastic wood and as much as I hate the idea, I love how long it will last.

It's likely color-throughout as well, so never needs to be refinished. A birthday cake with sparklers did some pitting damage to mine though.

I will never use real wood for a flat outdoor surface again.

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Post by frozenlettuce »

woliveirajr wrote: post #8

In 2020, the then president of Brazil said he would reveal which countries were the consumers of the illegally extracted wood from Amazonia. [0] No further news were heard about it. There were even a startup that would use DNA to certify the origin of the wood, allowing traceability. The "efforts to halt trade in illegal timber such as the EU Timber Regulation and the US Lacey Act" can greatly contribute to reduce th…

Recently I was watching Property Brothers and saw two episodes where both houses had Brazilian Hardwood flooring. The funny thing is that I live in Brazil and it is quite rare to find houses with that type of flooring - the bureaucracy and costs associated make it very expensive - but that might not be the case if the customer is Canadian

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Post by jihadjihad »

randomdata wrote: post #14
jihadjihad wrote: post #6

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It's OT, and not meant to detract from your point or be pedantic in any way, just something I've seen and heard in software, too: > providence when what I am sure you meant to say was "provenance" . I've heard people talk and ask about the "providence of the data" too much not to leave a comment, I guess! It's not manna from heaven it's just some rows in a database somewhere ;)

> when what I am sure you meant to say was "provenance". Without the documentation being in protective care of God, can it truly be trusted?

"In God we trust. All others bring data."

- W. Edwards Deming

Re: Exclusive hardwood may be illegally harvested

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Post by apojomovsky »

juancn wrote: post #5

I got confused about the name "ipê" (first time I hear it, my Portuguese is basic at most), it's also known as "lapacho" in Argentina, "tajy" in Paraguay and "araguaney" in Venezuela.

Same, in the picture from the article I clearly identified a Tajy Sa'yju. Fun thing is that this wood is used for absolutely everything in Paraguay. From posts to delimit rural properties to fuel for barbecues.

Re: Exclusive hardwood may be illegally harvested

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

digging wrote: post #30
foobarian wrote: post #24

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My porch is made of that newfangled plastic wood and as much as I hate the idea, I love how long it will last.

Will it? I'm not aware of any plastics that are insanely durable, they just don't rot. But treated wood also doesn't rot. I'd expect a lot of weathering and surface degradation at a similar rate to typical woods.

My big concern is UV stabilization. Plastic can be stabilized but how can i be sure the product i buy is actually UV stabilized? I don't want a deck that may turn to powder because the manufacturer skipped a step of the process.

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Post by Tade0 »

hedora wrote: post #25
bluGill wrote: post #23

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Unless it is a piano keyboard, because musicians are aware of this and so the only pianos with ivory keyboards have ivory from nearly 100 years ago. There would be interest in new ivory by a few (generally because they have an antique piano with one broken key), but they will demand proof that the ivory was sustainably harvested (There was a park a few years back overcrowd with elephants that was looking into providi…

The technician that works on our piano reglued some of the ivory. He said that, in the worst case, he could give us a replacement, since he has a pile of antique ivory he got from the keys of ruined/rebuilt pianos. If we ever fully restore the keys, we’d opt for not-ivory.

Every pre-WW2 piano I've seen was crooked beyond repair and untunable. I bet there are far more donor instruments than functioning ones, considering that a lot can happen in 70 years.

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Post by bastardoperator »

frozenlettuce wrote: post #32
woliveirajr wrote: post #8

In 2020, the then president of Brazil said he would reveal which countries were the consumers of the illegally extracted wood from Amazonia. [0] No further news were heard about it. There were even a startup that would use DNA to certify the origin of the wood, allowing traceability. The "efforts to halt trade in illegal timber such as the EU Timber Regulation and the US Lacey Act" can greatly contribute to reduce th…

Recently I was watching Property Brothers and saw two episodes where both houses had Brazilian Hardwood flooring. The funny thing is that I live in Brazil and it is quite rare to find houses with that type of flooring - the bureaucracy and costs associated make it very expensive - but that might not be the case if the customer is Canadian

I would argue there is zero point in using real hardwood on floors these days given vinyl planks are way cheaper, way more durable, and look nearly indistinguishable from real thing.

Re: Exclusive hardwood may be illegally harvested

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Post by nemo44x »

wintogreen74 wrote: post #31
foobarian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My porch is made of that newfangled plastic wood and as much as I hate the idea, I love how long it will last.

It's likely color-throughout as well, so never needs to be refinished. A birthday cake with sparklers did some pitting damage to mine though. I will never use real wood for a flat outdoor surface again.

Nah they fade and look bad after a few years. Any damage can’t really be fixed either without the replacement sticking out.

They’re sort of fine but they’ll need replacing just the same, tend to get very hot, hard to change, and are not very flattering.

Re: Exclusive hardwood may be illegally harvested

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Post by abakker »

bastardoperator wrote: post #37
frozenlettuce wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently I was watching Property Brothers and saw two episodes where both houses had Brazilian Hardwood flooring. The funny thing is that I live in Brazil and it is quite rare to find houses with that type of flooring - the bureaucracy and costs associated make it very expensive - but that might not be the case if the customer is Canadian

I would argue there is zero point in using real hardwood on floors these days given vinyl planks are way cheaper, way more durable, and look nearly indistinguishable from real thing.

Hardwood floors can be re-sanded and refinished many times over, generating no waste. Vinyl floors get scratched and then thrown away. Wood is renewable, vinyl comes from oil wells. I'm not certain this is actually logical.

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Post by nemo44x »

digging wrote: post #30
foobarian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My porch is made of that newfangled plastic wood and as much as I hate the idea, I love how long it will last.

Will it? I'm not aware of any plastics that are insanely durable, they just don't rot. But treated wood also doesn't rot. I'd expect a lot of weathering and surface degradation at a similar rate to typical woods.

They have serious issues with mold and mildew as well. They also get rather hot.

They’re fine for certain people I guess but I don’t like how they look. And if you ever have to replace a part it will look weird as the deck will be faded except the new part.

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