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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by rmbyrro »

herbst wrote: post #377
rmbyrro wrote: post #121

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Governments took advantage of the extreme fear created after the 9/11 attacks to pass these absurd laws. I don't think we can call them "laws", because are clearly against the most fundamental values of any democracy. No country is free anymore. Not even the US, which enjoys bolstering itself as "the free world". Any freedom you enjoy in a democratic state nowadays is merely circumstantial and can disappear instantly…

> No country is free anymore. Not even the US, which enjoys bolstering itself as "the free world". Especially the US. My government has no rights to do anything like that. Please don't project your non freedom to the world.

I'm not from the US, btw

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by kmlx »

vintermann wrote: post #422
kmlx wrote: post #403

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> That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again. where did i write that? he'll have a fair trial according to the law. he can then convince the judge he doesn't actually support a terrorist organisation (as it's illegal to do that in the UK).

> he'll have a fair trial according to the law. Yes, according to the law, his trial will be fair. The law doesn't around admitting it isn't fair. But what do you know, I looked under the robe and wig of the law, and would you believe it was just a person! An ugly, naked, shameless person at that. In reality, there will be no fairness if smirking people like you get your way.

> But what do you know, I looked under the robe and wig of the law, and would you believe it was just a person! An ugly, naked, shameless person at that.

you did what now?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by reducesuffering »

boffinAudio wrote: post #383
bawolff wrote: post #344

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The press release is kind of undermined by using as its premise that israel targeted Al Ahli Arab Hospital despite there being significant evidence that it was actually a Palestinian group that did that. The article doesn't seem to be using an evidence based approach.

Just for the record, there are also claims supported by evidence, that Israel did it. No conclusions should be made about that incident, either way. Other than the fact that innocent people are being slaughtered because of hatred.

You fell for Qatari state and Hamas terrorist propaganda. All physical evidence points to a more minor event caused by a failed rocket within Gaza. Only the initial confusion caused the ridiculous claims of 500 dead and the entire hospital up in flames to spread. Do some light reading based on current understanding that isn’t Al Jazeera.

“Israel, the United States, France, the United Kingdom, and Canada said that their intelligence sources indicate the cause of the explosion was a failed rocket launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) from within Gaza, while the PIJ has denied any involvement. Hamas said that Israel carried out an airstrike on the hospital. Most experts speaking in the days after the strike agreed with the Israel Defense Forces' analysis that a misfired Palestinian rocket launched at Israel from within Gaza and captured on video was the likely cause of the explosion.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explos...

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by _kbh_ »

boffinAudio wrote: post #383
bawolff wrote: post #344

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The press release is kind of undermined by using as its premise that israel targeted Al Ahli Arab Hospital despite there being significant evidence that it was actually a Palestinian group that did that. The article doesn't seem to be using an evidence based approach.

Just for the record, there are also claims supported by evidence, that Israel did it. No conclusions should be made about that incident, either way. Other than the fact that innocent people are being slaughtered because of hatred.

> Just for the record, there are also claims supported by evidence, that Israel did it.

I've seen no convincing evidence that shows that Israel did it, the creator and damage size is way too small for any Israeli bomb or missile even airburst does not match the features found at the explosion.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by boppo1 »

coolThingsFirst wrote: post #456
boppo1 wrote: post #431

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It's kinda like reddit in that there's multiple boards with a broad array of topics. A few of the boards regularly have threads with pretty extreme racism/hate. Recently the president of a Detroit synagogue was stabbed to death outside her home and there were multiple threads openly celebrating the murder. But elsewhere on the site people are sharing clips of cute cows doing cute cow things. As a more specific exampl…

Why would that implicate you on terrorism charges? You aren't responsible for what people post online. Anyone can post anything on a forum and you may be looking at it because of other interesting stuff doesn't mean you have bad intentions. I think it's mainly paranoia, I still think the odds of falsely being charged with terrorism are incredibly low.

>odds of falsely being charged with terrorism are incredibly low.

Right now, sure. I'm merely speculating about the future.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by yakubin »

drewbeck wrote: post #491
smsm42 wrote: post #476

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He is not likely taken part in terrorist activities personally, but he admitted to supporting terrorists, so it's not out of the realm of plausible he also provided material support and aid to them. I'm not saying it necessarily happened, but it's not unbelievable.

In the post admitted to supporting Palestinians, and pro-Palestine causes. Is there more to this, or are you painting all Palestinians as terrorists?

He supports Hamas and Hezbollah: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051...>.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Phileosopher »

toyg wrote: post #363
ignoramous wrote: post #285

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> The laws in this country are so vague that I am certain that every adult has broken some of them. Sounds like India learnt a thing or two from the British, here.

It's just always been the case, everywhere. The history of Law is effectively about the powerless (or rather the less-powerful) slowly carving out all circumstances in which they cannot be thrown in prison on a whim.

Well, not necessarily everywhere. In the lens of history, new countries with a new constitution don't have that problem. Over time, they create layers of new laws, then cruft when those laws make little sense to enforce, then they can crack down on the letter of that law when enforcement is socially acceptable.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by jjgreen »

acdha wrote: post #473
jjgreen wrote: post #466

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This is a technical problem, not a legal one. Don't take your phone.

That’s a misattribution. Not bringing your phone means you are choosing not to do something perfectly legal due to abuse of power — and doing so is likely to encourage further abuse because the culprits know they are less likely to be recorded.

I'd disagree, you taking your phone through customs is indeed legal, and the border goon's seizure of your phone (by force if they prefer) and demand for your password on penalty of imprisonment is also legal. So this is not a legal issue, everyone is acting within the law. One could argue that it is a political issue, that the law should be changed (and I'd agree), but that's a different question.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by toyg »

psd1 wrote: post #500
toyg wrote: post #495

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That's a classic handwave to avoid going into the fundamental merit of the problem: which is that, based on claims that were last valid more than 1000 years before, a fundamentally-theological apartheid state was installed and then supported with brutal force, pursuing a slow but methodical ethnic cleansing of the land. Unlike similar efforts in previous centuries (i.e. the purge of Native Americans, Aboriginal Austr…

> a fundamentally-theological apartheid state was installed and then supported with brutal force This is also a handwave. Minor quibble over "theological" - I think "tribal" would fit better. Humans are a funny animal. The chance for peace was extremely slim. It's been an existential conflict since before 1948, and Camp David's alternative required that the doves on both sides be stronger than the hawks. Unfortunatel…

>> a fundamentally-theological apartheid state was installed and then supported with brutal force

> This is also a handwave.

No, that's a statement of fact. It's been almost 80 years since the founding of Israel, its overall historical trajectory is not really in question anymore. Election after election, these choices have been made for three generations; the ideological scenario is entrenched for good. It's sad but it is what it is.

> Minor quibble over "theological" - I think "tribal" would fit better.

I could agree there, but it's a fine line. There is a religious symbol on the very flag.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by withinboredom »

tremon wrote: post #375
londons_explore wrote: post #44

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They may stop and question anybody. But they cannot stop and question people for the purpose of, for example, recovering stolen goods. Basically, the officer must currently be working on a terrorism case to be able to use these powers.

And how is the detained going to ascertain that the officer really is working on a terrorism case and not conducting their own fishing expedition? Given that no lawyer may be present, I'm also sure that the target of the investigation is not to be disclosed to the victim.

I would just sit there and repeat "I want a lawyer" until they actually arrest me for something.
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