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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#481

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He explicitly stated his support for Hamas and Hezbollah in this tweet: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051...

Ah indeed he did. Jikes, he gets his wish then.

Somehow every time somebody goes out to prove "it doesn't mean pro Hamas" it turns out it does. Maybe there's some pattern in it - like if a guy goes to pro Hamas rallies just days after Hamas brutally murdered 1400 people, there's a tiny bit of suspicion he might be pro Hamas?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Israel is an ethnostate[1], resolutions of Congress notwithstanding[2]. Imagine if Biden said "The US is a Nation-State Of The White People And Them Alone" the way a leading Israeli spoke about Israel[3]. But instead all major western governments are busy sucking up to Israel (this article is just one example) and declaring that Israel will always be our best ally. [1] https://www.npr.org/2018/07/19/630368973/israel-…

What are you talking about? About 20% of Israel population are Arabs. Only 7% of them self-identify as "Palestinians". Regardless of that, they all enjoy same rights as every other citizen. Which is more rights for the vast majority of them than in any surrounding Arab country. Imagine if you declared "US is a single-race country", totally ignoring existence of non-white people in the US. I think some might have been upset at such declaration, and even more would consider a person proclaiming such thing to be extremely ignorant.

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#483

While I think this could be an overstep, I think the author is quite obviously withholding some important context here. Why would they not show the tweet referenced here? “I volunteered that I thought I understood the tweet that worried them and agreed it could have been more nuanced. This was the limitation of twitter. It was intended to refer only to the current situation within Gaza and the Palestinian people’s ri…

The guy also seems to be industrial-grade nutcase:

> Murray questioned the official UK government account of the Skripal poisoning in Salisbury, March 2018, writing on his blog that Israeli security services were more likely to be behind the poisoning than Russia and that, while Russia lacked a motive, "Israel has a clear motivation for damaging the Russian reputation".

He also served 8 months in jail for disclosing the identities of women testifying in sexual harassment and rape case, which the court explicitly prohibited to disclose. All-around nice person, as it seems.

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#484

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a) Egypt used to own Gaza (they lost it in a war they started, along with a big chunk of Sinai, which was later returned in a peace deal) b) Gaza doesn't shoot rockets into Egypt regularly, so of course they don't bomb them c) I've never seen it d) Last I heard, Israel tried to get Egypt to take Gaza back. How is Israel preventing Egypt from taking them? I do know what apartheid is: it's what happened in South Africa…

> I do know what apartheid is: it's what happened in South Africa, when two groups of people lived in the very same place (i.e., in the same towns and cities) and were treated differently by the state. It's just like how Black people were treated in the US during the Jim Crow era. Apartheid was different, it combined a version of the forced relocation and reservation system that the US used for Native Americans (only…

> Especially given that the people there don't want Egypt to do so, and have been rather...prickly

I have worked closely with young educated Gazans on projects that outsourced to them. They claimed that they would love to get access to the Egyptian labor market, and get an Egyptian passport so that they could have a hope of working in other markets internationally. They’d leave Gaza for better opportunities elsewhere in a heartbeat. Yes, of course some other Gazans wouldn’t want to leave at all, and Hamas wouldn’t permit Egypt authority over the area. But Egypt’s refusal to open the borders to Gazans is about a series of security concerns of its own, and not so much about universal Gazan resistance to the idea.

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> I do know what apartheid is: it's what happened in South Africa, when two groups of people lived in the very same place (i.e., in the same towns and cities) and were treated differently by the state. It's just like how Black people were treated in the US during the Jim Crow era. Apartheid was different, it combined a version of the forced relocation and reservation system that the US used for Native Americans (only…

> Especially given that the people there don't want Egypt to do so, and have been rather...prickly I have worked closely with young educated Gazans on projects that outsourced to them. They claimed that they would love to get access to the Egyptian labor market, and get an Egyptian passport so that they could have a hope of working in other markets internationally. They’d leave Gaza for better opportunities elsewhere…

> But Egypt’s refusal to open the borders to Gazans

Egypt's refusal to assist Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza via forced deportation is a different issue than the one raised upthread about Egypt’s earlier refusal reoccupy Gaza.

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> Especially given that the people there don't want Egypt to do so, and have been rather...prickly I have worked closely with young educated Gazans on projects that outsourced to them. They claimed that they would love to get access to the Egyptian labor market, and get an Egyptian passport so that they could have a hope of working in other markets internationally. They’d leave Gaza for better opportunities elsewhere…

> But Egypt’s refusal to open the borders to Gazans Egypt's refusal to assist Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza via forced deportation is a different issue than the one raised upthread about Egypt’s earlier refusal reoccupy Gaza.

Again, the Gazans I have known complained about being forced to stay; they saw it that way, and not being forced to leave if the border with Egypt opened. Some people want to fight for their ancestral homeland or whatever, but other people want money and opportunities. But yes, as I suggested in my post, Egypt’s behavior re: opening the border or annexing the Strip has always been significantly driven by how its own population and other Arab states would perceive things, and not necessarily what a young educated Gazan might want.

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> But Egypt’s refusal to open the borders to Gazans Egypt's refusal to assist Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza via forced deportation is a different issue than the one raised upthread about Egypt’s earlier refusal reoccupy Gaza.

Again, the Gazans I have known complained about being forced to stay; they saw it that way, and not being forced to leave if the border with Egypt opened. Some people want to fight for their ancestral homeland or whatever, but other people want money and opportunities. But yes, as I suggested in my post, Egypt’s behavior re: opening the border or annexing the Strip has always been significantly driven by how its own…

Are you referring to the refusal to open the border crossing that Israel has repeatedly bombed during the present crisis or the on-again-off-again status of the crossing in the years prior?

Because, yes, the closures prior to the crisis, between the openings, have been due to Egyptian security concerns (mostly breakdowns of various agreements between Egypt, Hamas, PIJ, and the Palestinian Authority on border management), COVID-19, and various other issues.

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post #83

As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel? When talking to colleagues, family, and even my Israeli friends there's a plurality of opinion, sadness, serious discussions, but when looking at mainstream media, even relatively moderate it seems like everyone and their grandma is screaming for bombs and are "tired of the stupid poor pa…

Are you in the USA? Apparently the american media is particularly pro-israel. I am in Australia and find the media is very pro-israel but is happy to also say that israel’s actions are unsavory. I understand that Europe is much more balanced than Australia on this one.

> Apparently the american media is particularly pro-israel.

Is it the same media that reprinted without any checking Hamas claim that Israel bombed Al-Ahli hospital and 500 people were dead and over 600 wounded (the real situation was an Islamic Jihad rocket fell in the parking lot near the hospital, and likely about 10 to 50 people were hurt by it), and run with it for days trying to present it as if it was reliable information? Or there's some other US press which I'm not aware of? Some of this "particularly pro-Israel" press even refuses to name Hamas a terrorist organization. I don't know how much pro-Israel one can be than that.

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#489
post #305

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Which Israeli leader called for the expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza? I haven't heard or read any of that.

https://twitter.com/MisgavINS/status/1714183691574948036 Think tank of a former PM.

I think there's a big difference between "Israeli leaders call for expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza" (presenting it as if it were an official governmental policy, which it never was), and a single paper by a think tank - no idea which "former PM" you are referring to, none of the people affiliated with Misgav[1] seem to fit this description. In any case, there's some number of people thinking evacuating Gaza is desireable, in Israel - and much larger number of people thinking getting rid of Jews in Palestine (you do realize that's what "Free Palestine" and "from the river to the sea" means, do you), both in Middle East and in Europe and on any college campus in the US. Neither is likely to happen, but the latter is the official political position of the government of Gaza (Hamas) and the former is no more than a single paper by a single think tank.

[1] https://www.izs.org.il/board-of-directors/

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#490

>I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. It is a real atrocity that most devices are unable to lie for us when a wrong password is typed and create a mock profile to waste time

"Here's my unlocked phone, officer!" - "There are no calls, emails or any history in this phone. Are you claiming you have not used this phone to call anybody or interact with any social media?" - "Yes, officer, I never did!" - "Excellent, here are records from your phone company, showing this phone ID making $CRAPTON of calls, and here are records from social media companies showing the IP assigned to this phone accessing your accounts. You just lied to a government agent, and we have a proof of it right here with us, we don't even have to do any work for it. Welcome to hell!".

Or, if you get smart - "Oh yes, officer, I did, but I just reset this phone this morning, because I forgot the password!" - "Too bad, but then you won't object us seizing this phone for further investigation, given that there's nothing on it. There's nothing on it, right? No tricky OSes, no double partitions, no secret codes, nothing like that?" - "Oh yes, officer, absolutely nothing like that!" - "OK, our forensic team would be glad to hear that". In a week: "Our forensic team discovered the presence of Hide My Real Data Super Secure Double Password Toolkit on the phone. You have lied to a government agent and now are under indictment for it. Welcome to hell!".

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