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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by 878654Tom »

Eridrus wrote: post #113
heyodai wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even 5% is uncomfortably high if you're planning to build your mission-critical infrastructure around it.

A 5% chance of needing to do a migration in 10 years is very small in comparison to other technical risks. And lets be clear, this is not a catastrophic risk; your contract with GCP guarantees they will not discontinue services without 12 months of notice so you will have time to do an orderly migration unless Alphabet itself goes under. I am a GCP user; I have found their offering (actually having GPU quota) signifi…

12 months notice is too short for big non-tech enterprises. They plan their infrastructure needs in 5-year terms. Changing to a new environment takes re-educating a lot of people, going through a lot of legal and audit meetings, finding enough manpower to do the transfer, putting things on hold purely for the migration,...

12 months is the time for the contracts to settle between these enterprises and cloud-vendors.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by foobarian »

next_xibalba wrote: post #194
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

> The group [Pichai, Page, and Porat] even talked about—and eventually dismissed—the idea of leaving the market entirely, this person said. [1] That they’ve actually discussed shutting it down in the recent past lends plausibility to this risk. In 2019, they set 2023 as a deadline for moving into the #2 spot ahead of Azure. Obviously, they’ve not gotten anywhere near that. [1] https://www.theinformation.com/articles/…

Wow. Imagine top level execs at Ford discussing, but eventually dismissing--the idea of leaving the automobile market entirely. Their hearts really aren't in it as much as with AWS.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by latchkey »

fhoffa wrote: post #215
latchkey wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, now you're making me explain myself due to your poor understanding of what I was saying and taking different comments in different threads out of context. "We migrated"... meaning that over time, everyone is migrating from the concept of using GAE as a first choice, to using things like Run/Functions. Not that I actually physically took code for GAE and moved it to R/F. For example, my last project, I choose to…

This is awesome, thanks for all the background info. Now let me give you an example of App Engine deprecating stuff: - In 2012 App Engine deprecated the "Conversion API". - They notified this deprecation in August 2012, and they told users it would stop working only 3 months afterwards. - You were affected by this deprecation. - You created an alternative to it, that worked on Heroku. Source: https://groups.google.co…

Yea, they deprecated something. I even noted that the market is small for it in the thread. I built another solution in a short amount of time, and even gave it away because it really wasn't something people were using a lot of. It was a super niche product. That also wasn't even AppEngine, it was just a nice to have, for me, sub-service.

There was a point where people were upset about GCP and Google changed their whole deprecation policies to be more vocal and longer term about things.

I really don't understand your point. What's the big deal?

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by ahepp »

foobarian wrote: post #232
next_xibalba wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The group [Pichai, Page, and Porat] even talked about—and eventually dismissed—the idea of leaving the market entirely, this person said. [1] That they’ve actually discussed shutting it down in the recent past lends plausibility to this risk. In 2019, they set 2023 as a deadline for moving into the #2 spot ahead of Azure. Obviously, they’ve not gotten anywhere near that. [1] https://www.theinformation.com/articles/…

Wow. Imagine top level execs at Ford discussing, but eventually dismissing--the idea of leaving the automobile market entirely. Their hearts really aren't in it as much as with AWS.

Ford did exit the sedan market

But I generally agree with what you’re saying

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by wg0 »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

AWS is stable. In that, the DX is predictable. I'm using AWS for over a decade and had huge gaps in between but coming back never was shocked or surprised by things totally reshuffled.

On GCP, not the same. The GCP console of around 2012 if memory serves me well, is barely recognizable. That just the UX and I'm sure APIs would have changed as well in the meantime.

The hip product management culture of Google is beyond me. Today's cloud console would be something else tomorrow and I'm sure some hip and smart PM is chalking that out on their Chromebook or something. Sorry for the stereotyping.

As of speaking to customers, I bet AWS (real people) directly, routinely reach out to even 2 person startups. I have experienced it myself. They really do care. Even I had multiple hour long calls with Azure representative for an account who's monthly spend was a joke.

On the other hand, good luck with getting anyone from Google on email let alone phone.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by fhoffa »

latchkey wrote: post #233
fhoffa wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is awesome, thanks for all the background info. Now let me give you an example of App Engine deprecating stuff: - In 2012 App Engine deprecated the "Conversion API". - They notified this deprecation in August 2012, and they told users it would stop working only 3 months afterwards. - You were affected by this deprecation. - You created an alternative to it, that worked on Heroku. Source: https://groups.google.co…

Yea, they deprecated something. I even noted that the market is small for it in the thread. I built another solution in a short amount of time, and even gave it away because it really wasn't something people were using a lot of. It was a super niche product. That also wasn't even AppEngine, it was just a nice to have, for me, sub-service. There was a point where people were upset about GCP and Google changed their wh…

You think we are disagreeing, meanwhile I just love how much I've learned (and confirmed) thanks to your replies. Thanks for sharing!

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by VincentEvans »

Ah, the time has come for me to do another rant about Amazon

- Open amazon app on your phone

- Type in “craftsman firepit spark screen” into search and get results

- Is the top result a craftsman product? No. Why? Who knows. But it’s ok, it’s like the third one down, though this is already hinting on the things to come.

- Open up product details for the Craftsman one. It’s called, and make a mental note here “CRAFTSMAN 19.5 Spark Screen for Smokeless Fire Pit Stainless Steel Mesh Lid Outdoor Fire Safety for Backyard Bonfires“.

- Oh no, it’s not quite the right size for the model I have. But there’s a helpful link to “Visit the Craftsman Store” at the top, which is I suppose a little section of Amazon that is all things Craftsman. Let’s click it to find the right size model.

- It takes me to a page with a nice big Craftsman Logo and a search bar inviting me “Search all Craftsman”.

- I enter “spark screen”. That’s the name of the product from the listing after all.

- I get 5 results. They are: screwdriver socket, 46 inch lawnmower blades, screwdriver set, pressure washer, and an electric lawnmover.

- The end.

This is the company on the forefront of machine learning.

PS: As a bonus story - I was recently trying to find “Wonderpets” cartoon for my daughter, using Amazon Prime Video apple tv app - and not quite remembering the name, I typed in “wonder pets” into the search box, and as you might have guessed, the cartoon I was searching for wasn’t in the results.

Makes you wonder how many more resources of time, money and people does Amazon need so that my simple interactions with their consumer products are not such a subpar experience.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by rapind »

cameronh90 wrote: post #168
crazygringo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

> conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. * Google Domains * Google Cloud IoT Core * Jamboard Also they increased Google Maps pricing by like 10x at one point, and they increased Cloud Storage prices pretty substantially last year too. Price increases can be just as impactful as killing a product. I don't think AWS has ever increased any prices or shut down any service (though quite a few are essent…

Google search appliance.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by cjbgkagh »

VincentEvans wrote: post #237

Ah, the time has come for me to do another rant about Amazon - Open amazon app on your phone - Type in “craftsman firepit spark screen” into search and get results - Is the top result a craftsman product? No. Why? Who knows. But it’s ok, it’s like the third one down, though this is already hinting on the things to come. - Open up product details for the Craftsman one. It’s called, and make a mental note here “CRAFTSM…

They’re optimizing on revenue not helping you find what you’re looking for

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by andrewmutz »

wg0 wrote: post #235
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

AWS is stable. In that, the DX is predictable. I'm using AWS for over a decade and had huge gaps in between but coming back never was shocked or surprised by things totally reshuffled. On GCP, not the same. The GCP console of around 2012 if memory serves me well, is barely recognizable. That just the UX and I'm sure APIs would have changed as well in the meantime. The hip product management culture of Google is beyon…

I've never had a problem getting meetings with GCP reps for both big company spend and tiny startup spend.

If anything, they have been too eager to talk when I had nothing to discuss with them.

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