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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by acdha »

latchkey wrote: post #57
skadamat wrote: post #13

My biggest challenge with GCP is that I'm still not convinced Google cares that much about this division. They acquired Looker, fired the customer service staff, and then set it out to crumble. Looker used to be LOVED by its customers but now they were forced to make their semantic layer work with Tableau. Also, I'm still not convinced Google cares about divisions that aren't linked to advertising. Google Search, Gma…

> Will GCP be around in 5 years? I honestly am not sure. AppEngine is going on, checks notes, 15 years now.

A better question is whether it’ll have improved or had price increases. GCP has had a bunch of increases lately, and you never know what will be next so you always have to guess at whether you’ll regret locking yourself more to a proprietary service.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by latchkey »

fhoffa wrote: post #109
latchkey wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Will GCP be around in 5 years? I honestly am not sure. AppEngine is going on, checks notes, 15 years now.

AppEngine today is wildly different to the App Engine I fell in love with 15 years ago. Since you're checking notes, please check out all the AE service deprecation notes. Disclosure: I worked for Google for ~10 years, and I fought internally many of those deprecation decisions. I did not succeed.

> AppEngine today is wildly different to the App Engine I fell in love with 15 years ago.

I see that as a good thing, it means they are still working on it.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Eridrus »

heyodai wrote: post #92
Eridrus wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what odds are you willing to make a bet on this? Do you think there's a 20% chance it's gone in 5 years? Do you think it's 5%? Do you think it's 30%? People keep saying things will be shut down and I think they should put their money where their mouth is.

Even 5% is uncomfortably high if you're planning to build your mission-critical infrastructure around it.

A 5% chance of needing to do a migration in 10 years is very small in comparison to other technical risks.

And lets be clear, this is not a catastrophic risk; your contract with GCP guarantees they will not discontinue services without 12 months of notice so you will have time to do an orderly migration unless Alphabet itself goes under.

I am a GCP user; I have found their offering (actually having GPU quota) significantly better than the other clouds and GCP shutting down does not keep me up at all.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by TNWin »

We unfortunately have three vendors (AWS, GCP, Azure) at my company because of acquisitions and the cost involved to consolidate.

I am part of the central team that manages the provisioning users and accounts and billing.

AWS is miles ahead of how we can express what we want in accounting.

AWS reps are much much more knowledgeable and a pleasure to work with when it comes to billing.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by crazygringo »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP.

All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled.

But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut down without recourse unless you really are being abusive, and Google's not cancelling the services companies are paying for. (The same goes for the paid tier of Google Workspace.) It's a normal paid B2B relationship with all that usually entails.

It's unfortunate that people take their experiences and the stories they hear about the free consumer side, and extrapolate them to assume they're also true about the paid business side. It's understandable, but it's just not the case.

And neither GCP nor AWS is getting shut down. Even using the numbers you give, the answer is that the risk of either shutting down is zero for all intents and purposes. There's no reason to split hairs over which of two infinitesimally unlikely events is more likely, or use that as a justification for choosing one or the other.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by balls187 »

GCP lost me when I had to enable API errors from the console in order to see actual error in the console rather than a user hostile “Something went wrong” type message.

There is probably a rational reason for this behavior, but I don’t care. Just tell me the error.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Alupis »

mvdtnz wrote: post #110
Alupis wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The market is tiny (relatively) for all of these players. Motley Fool estimates the entire cloud gaming industry is ~$2.5B in total revenue for 2023. Many of the current services are likely running at a loss, hoping for the hype-train to get people into it. The reality is, most people wanting to play AAA titles either have a console, or a gaming computer already The cross-section of people with a 10 year old macbook,…

I'm sorry what does any of this have to do with Google's lies with regards to their commitment to cloud gaming? All gaming platforms run at a loss in their early days. > The cross-section of people with a 10 year old macbook, that want to play the latest AAA title, have expensive high-bandwidth internet, and are willing to pay ~$30+ a month is just not that large. This is frankly an idiotic summary of what you believ…

> I'm sorry what does any of this have to do with Google's lies

Google is not a charity. If something is not working out financially, or the market has failed to grow at the pace Google initially thought, it is in their best interest to exit that market and re-allocate resources. You know... like any rational business.

> This is frankly an idiotic summary

Well then perhaps you can enlighten us on why the market has failed to materialize? $2.5B for 4+ industry-heavyweights to fight over is pathetically small.

The R&D costs alone to deliver this type of service likely outweigh several years of total industry revenue... yet each of these companies is trying to blaze their own path more-or-less independently.

In short, there is no addressable market, and the numbers clearly tell us that. Do not be surprised when more of the players exit this market as well.

Just because you love a service doesn't make it a reasonable or sustainable offering.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by gustavus »

crazygringo wrote: post #115
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

> And neither GCP nor AWS is getting shut down. Even using the numbers you give, the answer is that the risk of either shutting down is zero for all intents and purposes. There's no reason to split hairs over which of two infinitesimally unlikely events is more likely.

That's what I thought for a long time about google domains. Yet here we are.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Eridrus »

gkbrk wrote: post #107
seanthemon wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What an oddly aggressive comment - perhaps the problem isn't prediction but extrapolation of past experiences with Google, would you not agree that it gives you a sliver of worry that they may cut the service off? You seem very intense about Google's offering, maybe you feel attacked by the points made in the thread, but the way you're approaching this discussion is very strange.

Eridrus used to work at Google. Not sure if it would be good to disclose before aggressively asking people to bet on the lifespan of Google products, I certainly would err on the side of disclosing.

Sure, I used to work at Google, I used to work at Microsoft, some of my best friends worked at Amazon, I own stock in all of them.

Are you interested in making a bet on the chance GCP will be discontinued?

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by yaseer »

crazygringo wrote: post #115
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

Google have shut down plenty of paid, and non consumer products.

Ones I have personal experience with include Stadia (paid), and app maker (business).

https://killedbygoogle.com/ doesn't struggle to find content.

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