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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by sthuck »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

GCP shutting down might be one in a million, but "Google cloud niche product X" is a lot more likely.

With GCP I feel like you should stick to the core services to avoid any risks.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by ajross »

rfrey wrote: post #166
ajross wrote: post #90

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No interest on engaging on the core issues of trust, except to say my standard bit: HN is a site predicated on the whole idea of embracing risk . Except with this one particular vendor who everyone loves to distrust. Maybe... it's not about risk at all?

This is a deeply weird take IMO. Nobody "embraces risk" because they have a risk fetish. You take on risk because you believe you can be paid for it, and perhaps you are better equipped to mitigate the risk than the people paying you to take it. There is no payoff for using a Google product versus one of the competitors, so a rational person would not accept the risk that Google pulls the plug on a product, or some c…

> There is no payoff for using a Google product versus one of the competitors

The linked article is literally about how Google is better than its competitor though! Obviously some people disagree.

If you want to write a nuanced take about risk and benefit, I'm there for it[1]. It's the stunningly absolutist take on something as clearly-not-a-big-deal as a cloud service provider, by people who would otherwise be willing to bet their careers on a job with a good vibe, that seems "deeply weird" to me.

[1] Actually I'm not. That's stuff's boring. But I respect that people do it.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mvdtnz »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #204
simoncion wrote: post #184

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Yeah... Google employees just _do_ that sort of shitty redirection, and it's obnoxious as fuck. Maybe it works in a "We're too polite to disrupt whatever political game you're playing in the hopes that you'll reciprocate when we splash obvious bullshit when we play ours." snakepit that seems to be most of Google, but out here, we're unchained by that political nonsense. Bonus chatter: We get that you'd like die for y…

There is a reason contracts, contract law and the court system all exist. Most people and companies don't do things which aren't in their interest after stating they will. It isn't a Google thing.

No one is saying Google has broken contracts or the law. What is it with you Google defenders and your constant goalpost shifting? We are saying, Google is not to be trusted with claims like "we are committed to this product" because they have been caught in that lie several times before. Why are you going on about contract law and "most people and companies"? What you're saying is irrelevant.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mvdtnz »

Alupis wrote: post #117
mvdtnz wrote: post #110

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I'm sorry what does any of this have to do with Google's lies with regards to their commitment to cloud gaming? All gaming platforms run at a loss in their early days. > The cross-section of people with a 10 year old macbook, that want to play the latest AAA title, have expensive high-bandwidth internet, and are willing to pay ~$30+ a month is just not that large. This is frankly an idiotic summary of what you believ…

> I'm sorry what does any of this have to do with Google's lies Google is not a charity. If something is not working out financially, or the market has failed to grow at the pace Google initially thought, it is in their best interest to exit that market and re-allocate resources. You know... like any rational business. > This is frankly an idiotic summary Well then perhaps you can enlighten us on why the market has f…

> If something is not working out financially, or the market has failed to grow at the pace Google initially thought, it is in their best interest to exit that market and re-allocate resources.

Correct, Google can't be trusted to commit to a product long-term. Even a product with paying customers.

> Well then perhaps you can enlighten us on why the market has failed to materialize?

Because like I said, it's a young market. It has absolutely enormous upsides for those that can win it.

> there is no addressable market

This is laughable. You're a clown.

> Just because you love a service

None of the cloud gaming vendors have ever even offered the service in my country. I have no dog in this hunt.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by slrainka »

pid-1 wrote: post #77
siquick wrote: post #67

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In my experience of using both, AWS AppRunner is as good as Cloud Run except you can’t scale AppRunner down to 0 instances so it has an ongoing cost.

It basically doesn't have the main thing that makes Cloud Run so valuable. Speaking more generally, it seems AWS is allergic to creating products that scale to zero nowadays.

App Runner is an abstraction on top of FarGate designed to compete with Cloud Run, which is why it doesn’t scale down to zero. I too haven’t found anything that beats the simplicity of a GCP deployment sigh..

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by notyourwork »

Alupis wrote: post #85
mvdtnz wrote: post #78

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> They are definitely committed to it. Google on Stadia: October 2019 - "It is a long term view that Google is taking" November 2020 - "roadmap of about 400 games in development right now from 200 developers [...] 2023 is really kind of where we’re aiming our sights" February 2021 - "building Stadia into a long-term, sustainable business [...] remain committed to Stadia as a platform" September 2021 - "gaming is an i…

It's not entirely a fair take, since nobody figured out how to make cloud gaming feasible. They have all given up, or are in the process of giving up.

It is 100% fair because it supports a trend. Amazon didn’t have to continue support for a myriad of AWS products yet still do and maintain backwards compatibility.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

I use both. GCP sucks, AWS rocks.

GCP is theoretically superior because it has more features and integrations built in. But in practice it's a big mess, and if you want to do anything the "not GCP way", you're better off just not using it at all. People talk about GCP "getting X right", which might be true, except to actually use the thing that they "got right" you have to use everything else they have, and good luck figuring out how to do that with their insanely bad/missing docs. Let's not even get into how they overload the same concept in multiple places, have tons of arbitrary limitations of naming conventions for different components, navigating the console is a pain (and again arbitrarily limiting), and services are weirdly implemented so the SDK is inconsistent. They tried really hard to pretend they had some unified, Enterprise-ready, perfect system/design, and of course failed at implementation, because perfect systems don't exist. Their support is crap and their services are down a lot, and very slow to orchestrate.

AWS is less feature-filled by default, but everything that is there works, isn't complicated, can be used a-la-carte, and docs are easy to find. Support is insanely reliable. They take a one-useful-piece-at-a-time approach rather than making you use the kitchen sink, and it's not hard to get things working (well, not any harder than for any other cloud provider). Pretty much everything they do is simpler and more reliable.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by jeremyjh »

sthuck wrote: post #221
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

GCP shutting down might be one in a million, but "Google cloud niche product X" is a lot more likely. With GCP I feel like you should stick to the core services to avoid any risks.

I would put the odds quite a lot closer to 1 in 5 than 1 in a million. Google exec shuts down lackluster business ? It would not even be news outside tech/business circles.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by inlined »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #70
latchkey wrote: post #53

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Cloud Functions, Cloud Tasks and Cloud SQL Postgres are fantastic too. Very low cost that scales with you and essentially zero lockin.

Has Cloud Functions solved their logging issues yet? Last I checked, the lifetime of the function was bound to the lifetime of the request. So you have to fully flush your logs to their log ingress service before you respond to a request, otherwise GCP will suspend the function and eat your logs. Originally, this resulted in me having - to my surprise - very few logs coming from my functions. Once I discovered what w…

Are you using a log service directly, or stdout? Stdout has no such issue. On Run (and therefore functions 2nd gen) you get a SIGINT before the container is shut down. Open Telemetry is pretty easy to configure to flush on SIGINT in the background.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mythz »

crazygringo wrote: post #115
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

Getting rid of https://domains.google is a good indication that nothing is off-limits and everything is a bean counter report away from being abandoned.

What's worse is that their loss-leading free products kill competing products before they finally abandon it themselves, leaving the space much worse than if they had ever entered it.

No chance I'll ever vender lock myself to GCP.

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