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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by djbusby »

slotrans wrote: post #137
crazygringo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

The customer service is awful and it is very difficult to reach real people. Even when spending a million dollars a month.

Really? I've got associates at less than that (10-20k/mo) that have access to real people. One associate just crossed the $1k/mo mark and their human contact-ability improved. My GCP spend is <$500/mo - I don't get shit.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by steveBK123 »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

Isn't one of the foundational problems of GCP that it's not really core to Google themselves?

AWS is basically the same infra Amazon runs their own business on, opened up for the world to use.

Azure is the backbone that Microsoft sells you all their cloudified Office/Outlook/etc suite of tools.

GCP is neither of those things to Google.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

baldeagle wrote: post #209
cameronh90 wrote: post #168

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> conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. * Google Domains * Google Cloud IoT Core * Jamboard Also they increased Google Maps pricing by like 10x at one point, and they increased Cloud Storage prices pretty substantially last year too. Price increases can be just as impactful as killing a product. I don't think AWS has ever increased any prices or shut down any service (though quite a few are essent…

AWS just KILLED EC2!!! Well, EC2-classic. And they did so with two years of notice and support to transition all customers. Really a class act of migration. I'm not sure Google won't just send out an email on a Friday before a long weekend and then kill the servers the following Monday. https://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2023/09/farewell-ec2-cl...

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

latchkey wrote: post #199
fhoffa wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you just said in a separate comment that you migrated away from App Engine. You also just said that you used it very effectively back when it was a different thing. I think we agree in many more ways than we disagree. Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38020604

Ugh, now you're making me explain myself due to your poor understanding of what I was saying and taking different comments in different threads out of context. "We migrated"... meaning that over time, everyone is migrating from the concept of using GAE as a first choice, to using things like Run/Functions. Not that I actually physically took code for GAE and moved it to R/F. For example, my last project, I choose to…

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by fhoffa »

latchkey wrote: post #199
fhoffa wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you just said in a separate comment that you migrated away from App Engine. You also just said that you used it very effectively back when it was a different thing. I think we agree in many more ways than we disagree. Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38020604

Ugh, now you're making me explain myself due to your poor understanding of what I was saying and taking different comments in different threads out of context. "We migrated"... meaning that over time, everyone is migrating from the concept of using GAE as a first choice, to using things like Run/Functions. Not that I actually physically took code for GAE and moved it to R/F. For example, my last project, I choose to…

This is awesome, thanks for all the background info. Now let me give you an example of App Engine deprecating stuff:

- In 2012 App Engine deprecated the "Conversion API".

- They notified this deprecation in August 2012, and they told users it would stop working only 3 months afterwards.

- You were affected by this deprecation.

- You created an alternative to it, that worked on Heroku.

Source: https://groups.google.com/g/google-appengine/c/-JJccGx5RRk/m...

Did I get this right?

You are awesome. We are just choosing to remember the past with different colored glasses.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by notyourwork »

djbusby wrote: post #211
slotrans wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The customer service is awful and it is very difficult to reach real people. Even when spending a million dollars a month.

Really? I've got associates at less than that (10-20k/mo) that have access to real people. One associate just crossed the $1k/mo mark and their human contact-ability improved. My GCP spend is <$500/mo - I don't get shit.

To be fair $500/month is peanuts for a yearly revenue to guarantee a contactable human is available for.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

crazygringo wrote: post #115
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by catlover76 »

nathants wrote: post #139

i’ve built bespoke automation at the api level for azure, gcp, and aws. using azure makes you want to watch the world burn. using gcp makes you want to give alcoholism a fair try. using aws makes you wonder why we can’t have nice things. ime those who prefer gcp tend to use a web interface. those who don’t have a preference tend to use iac. you want to work directly with the api, for innumerable reasons. aws is the c…

I defer to your expertise, esp when it comes to actually using these different services at scale, but as someone who used to deploy only to Heroku and wanted to learn real cloud deployment, AWS was pretty unapproachable. I almost laughed out loud at how unnecessarily arcane and difficult they made things when all I wanted to do was set up a simple Python app on EC2.

Google Cloud felt easier and intuitive to get started with, so that's what I use now.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ctvo wrote: post #167
mixmastamyk wrote: post #48

Technology isn't a weakness with Google... never was. Most of their stuff is top-notch technology-wise. The problems are from a business-angle and being their customer. Meaning, even if you're a F500 company you are an insignificant gnat on the windshield of the gigantic G-machine that makes its money elsewhere. Now, I don't believe think they'd actually shut GCP down. Cloud is just too damn strategic in a post Y2k w…

> Technology isn't a weakness with Google... never was. Most of their stuff is top-notch technology-wise. The problems are from a business-angle and being their customer. There's very little technologically impressive with GCP. It's the same products from all three vendors with few exceptions. What's a clear weakness with GCP is Google's lack of seriousness as operators. Regions in the same data center, outages that…

I remember early on G was doing several second billing, while AWS was on minutes. There are other things like better performance, authoring K8s and http2/3 etc that gave them the edge. AWS was earlier and had greater breadth of course.
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