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> Will GCP be around in 5 years? I honestly am not sure. AppEngine is going on, checks notes, 15 years now.
A better question is whether it’ll have improved or had price increases. GCP has had a bunch of increases lately, and you never know what will be next so you always have to guess at whether you’ll regret locking yourself more to a proprietary service.
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I'm tired of reading the same thing over and over where people prognosticate based on poor readings of events and I think people should put there money where their mouth is. I really do not think the chance of GCP discontinuing a core service is high enough to warrant the level of comments this gets and if I find myself constantly reading these comments, maybe I can at least be compensated by people making bad bets o…
Nonzero is enough to choose an alternative.
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Have you actually been using it for 15 years? My guess is not, or you would have a different opinion. But that's just a guess
Poor comment and poor guess. My best friend Jeff started working on Objectify in 2009 after I convinced him to use GAE. I have built two businesses on it. One did $80m in revenue in the first year and I guarantee we couldn’t have done it without GAE. Now give me back my downvote please.
You also just said that you used it very effectively back when it was a different thing.
I think we agree in many more ways than we disagree.
I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…
That they’ve actually discussed shutting it down in the recent past lends plausibility to this risk. In 2019, they set 2023 as a deadline for moving into the #2 spot ahead of Azure. Obviously, they’ve not gotten anywhere near that.
[1] https://www.theinformation.com/articles/google-brass-set-202...
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I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…
> conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. * Google Domains * Google Cloud IoT Core * Jamboard Also they increased Google Maps pricing by like 10x at one point, and they increased Cloud Storage prices pretty substantially last year too. Price increases can be just as impactful as killing a product. I don't think AWS has ever increased any prices or shut down any service (though quite a few are essent…
See Google/Alphabet's latest quarterly earnings. There's a decent chance that in a few years GCP will be no more. I had an argument with one of the biggest investors in Google a few years ago, in which I was predicting exactly this scenario. He didn't believe me. Perhaps I was right after all. GCP lost a ton of money since its inception. Its leadership is so far away from being able to run this business properly, tha…
> you should REDUCE, not increase, your cloud usage, in favor of a properly optimized on-prem.
Based on this. Not much. Unless all you need is a single location and a couple of load balancer servers. No you should not move to on-Prem. It has no benefit and isn’t magically cheaper.
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Poor comment and poor guess. My best friend Jeff started working on Objectify in 2009 after I convinced him to use GAE. I have built two businesses on it. One did $80m in revenue in the first year and I guarantee we couldn’t have done it without GAE. Now give me back my downvote please.
Wait, you just said in a separate comment that you migrated away from App Engine. You also just said that you used it very effectively back when it was a different thing. I think we agree in many more ways than we disagree. Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38020604
"We migrated"... meaning that over time, everyone is migrating from the concept of using GAE as a first choice, to using things like Run/Functions. Not that I actually physically took code for GAE and moved it to R/F. For example, my last project, I choose to use GCF, instead of GAE. The reason I went straight to GCF is because it is effectively what GAE has morphed into today. This isn't a slight on GAE at all. I've updated previous comment to hopefully clarify this for you.
Again, I have used GCP extensively since about 2009. By the way, much of what you use today was a result of things I did back when I co-founded the Jakarta Apache project, open sourced Tomcat from Sun, brought Lucene under the umbrella, blah blah blah... I've been around the internet since 1991.
GCP has some nice things but AWS is simply more reliable. The GCP outage [1] in April is a great example. A fire in europe-west9-a "zone" took down the entire europe-west9 "region" (because this entire "region" is actually housed in a single datacenter), which then caused a global GCP console/API outage because GCP's single global control plane couldn't reach europe-west9. The fact that a zonal issue escalated to a r…
GCP does not have a single global control plane. Each product has a separate control plane, and many/most of those are regional. GCE (Compute) does have a global control plane today.
The GCP Console, unlike other cloud providers, displays an aggregated view over all the regions. That means calling the control plane for a particular service which then in turn will do fan-out to all regions and merge the results.
For example a page might call the GCE global control plane:
https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/reference/rest/v1/inst...
Or a different page might call this with - as the location to globally fan-out instead of talking to a particular region's control plane:
https://cloud.google.com/functions/docs/reference/rest/v2/pr...
(Specifying the location would call that particular region though)
During the incident the small (but critical) subset of Console pages which needed aggregated data from GCE's global control plane failed to load.
I agree it's unacceptable that the Console doesn't handle regional failures more gracefully, and it's very much been a priority to improve region down handling.
Source: I work on the GCP Console.