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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by midasuni »

breakpointalpha wrote: post #244
robaato wrote: post #91

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https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Conducting an examination 34. The examining officer must explain their role to the person and that Schedule 7 is a part of counter-terrorism policing at the port/UK border, but that this does not mean that they are suspected of being involved in terrorism. The purpose of the examination is to determine whether the person appears to be someone who is or w…

Last sentence of section 39 makes it look like all you have to do is remain silent for 6 hours to be released. I'm not a lawyer.

Nor would you be allowed a lawyer

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by scotty79 »

remram wrote: post #290
renonce wrote: post #233

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The anti-terrorism act used in this case allows detention of no more than 1 hour, or no more than 6 hours under certain conditions. Arrest involves other charges so what you described could happen, but not without turns.

Having withheld evidence is the crime, they will be able to prove you did that. Even if you were otherwise innocent.

How could they tell if you withheld anything or genuinely forgot? It's a stressful situation. I'm not sure if I'll remember even my mother's name in such situation.

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Post by hef19898 »

shiroiuma wrote: post #359
hef19898 wrote: post #262

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The better metric would be how many Arabs, including in the occupied territories, are Israelian citizens. By the way, apartheid doesn't depend on citizenship per se.

AFAICT, the West Bank could be called "an occupied territory", but Gaza definitely cannot. I don't know why people keep repeating this: Israel pulled out of Gaza 17 years ago and let it govern itself. A place can't be "occupied" when you don't have soldiers there and you're not administering the place.

How much self government do you really have when you are under embargoe by all neighbouring states, are not recognized as sovereign nation and depend dor basix essentials (water, fuel...) on the former occupier? It is an occupation by all measures but name.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by [deleted] »

bhouston wrote: post #295
ddmf wrote: post #156

He tweeted: >"But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support." >“If that is a crime, send me back to jail.” > https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 You can't openly support a terrorist group in the UK. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Supporting designated terrorist organizations is not cool. Also Hamas just committed a bunch of grizzly murders of innocent civilians, not exactly resistance fighters at the moment. I am all for root causes and opposing the seemingly never ending Israeli occupation, and the settlements which are forcibly displacing Palestinians from their homes, but aligning one’s self with Hamas, especially at this time, is both mor…

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Post by tremon »

londons_explore wrote: post #44
diggan wrote: post #19

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Yeah, it seems to be a very over-reaching law, as far as I can gather. From https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... > Who can be examined? > The examining officer may only stop and question a person for the purpose of allowing a determination of whether that person appears to be someone who is or who has been concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of “terrorism” as def…

They may stop and question anybody. But they cannot stop and question people for the purpose of, for example, recovering stolen goods. Basically, the officer must currently be working on a terrorism case to be able to use these powers.

And how is the detained going to ascertain that the officer really is working on a terrorism case and not conducting their own fishing expedition? Given that no lawyer may be present, I'm also sure that the target of the investigation is not to be disclosed to the victim.

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Post by shiroiuma »

hef19898 wrote: post #373
shiroiuma wrote: post #359

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AFAICT, the West Bank could be called "an occupied territory", but Gaza definitely cannot. I don't know why people keep repeating this: Israel pulled out of Gaza 17 years ago and let it govern itself. A place can't be "occupied" when you don't have soldiers there and you're not administering the place.

How much self government do you really have when you are under embargoe by all neighbouring states, are not recognized as sovereign nation and depend dor basix essentials (water, fuel...) on the former occupier? It is an occupation by all measures but name.

How is it Israel's fault that they're embargoed by other neighboring states? And what's been keeping all the other states from supplying those basic essentials? Last I heard, they got a lot of humanitarian supplies from many other countries worldwide, even as far away as Japan.

AFAICT, Israel would rather just not deal with them at all. Countries shouldn't be forced to annex their neighbors and administer them. Didn't they even try to get Egypt to take Gaza back, and Egypt refused?

I'm sorry, this doesn't fit the definition of "occupation" at all.

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Post by herbst »

rmbyrro wrote: post #121
kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Governments took advantage of the extreme fear created after the 9/11 attacks to pass these absurd laws. I don't think we can call them "laws", because are clearly against the most fundamental values of any democracy. No country is free anymore. Not even the US, which enjoys bolstering itself as "the free world". Any freedom you enjoy in a democratic state nowadays is merely circumstantial and can disappear instantly…

> No country is free anymore. Not even the US, which enjoys bolstering itself as "the free world".

Especially the US. My government has no rights to do anything like that. Please don't project your non freedom to the world.

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Post by herbst »

I hope some of you realize that this is not normal, and not common in all the western world as some of you suggest. There are several countries where the right of any individual is valued much higher than whatever that terror bullshit is. Any EU citizen has more personality rights.

This is really disturbing and would this be my government I would try to change whatever I can or flee.

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Post by barsonme »

logicchains wrote: post #49
dgfitz wrote: post #33

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What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance? I was under the impression they were the aggressor, no? Why would the aggressor be in a position of resistance? Would this be akin to claiming Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? Aren’t those two things at odds with each other? Edit: typo

>What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance Imagine if Russia manages to annex most of Ukraine, and converts the rest of Ukraine into an open-air prison. If twenty years later the people in that part of Ukraine manage to gather weapons and launch a counter-attack on Russia, wouldn't that count as resistance?

It is never acceptable, under any circumstances, to wholesale slaughter, rape, torture, and desecrate innocent civilians.

Pick a fight with the government, not senior citizens at a bus stop.

What Hamas did on 7 October wasn’t a “counter-attack,” it was literal genocide.

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Post by boffinAudio »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #260
kmlx wrote: post #157

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> that his support of Hamas say what now? is there any proof he supports those terrorists? in which case, it's pretty clear why he was detained. edit: found it: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... yup, terrorism charges incoming. from the same guy that did this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...

Looks more to me like he's a human rights activist that has been targeted by the security state as Naom Chomsky et. al comments in the just posted article. His own comments are about desperate measures when carpet bombed. That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again.

>That you want to swiftly send him to jail tells me totalitarianism is becoming fashionable again.

Every single human being alive has the capacity to manifest the totalitarian-authoritarian personality. We are not immune to it as individuals - our only safety from this viral meme is social. It is only when we have a social order that provides more motivation to eschew the totalitarian-authoritarian personality, at an individual level, that we are actually free of it. The irony is, this personality also arises when an individuals' own personality is challenged by society.

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