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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by enasterosophes »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #214
denton-scratch wrote: post #118

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> you can be sentenced to a maximum of 2 years imprisonment Yeah, but that involves a charge, and you get a lawyer. I would have refused to answer anything without first consulting a lawyer; I won't take legal advice from the investigating policeman. "You say I have to answer? Fine, I'll answer if my lawyer confirms that." What can go wrong? The worst that can happen is that they charge you (with something?) for refu…

Yeah but, you refuse to give the information, so that's a crime; even with a lawyer you're then liable for a maximum of two years imprisonment. That's the fucker about these laws; in a lot of constitutions (note that the UK does not have a constitution so I'm not sure how it works over there), you have the right to not provide evidence that may lead to your conviction. But rules like this go counter to those.

Maximum of two years, in practice means you'll be out in a few months on probation. You'll keep most of your life and get a story to tell for the rest of it.

Worth calling their bluff, I reckon.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by SemioticStandrd »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #263
xdennis wrote: post #253

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> it's hard to blame folks who look for more rational explanations like "the government is harassing a political opponent" (whether they're right or wrong.) No, it's not, because he's clearly being investigated for supporting Hamas' actions (which classified as a terrorist organization by the UK).

I don't know anything about this person other than what's on his Wikipedia. And what that says is: he's a 65-year old former diplomat and noted human rights activist with (as far as I can tell) zero history of violence or terrorist acts. If the government seriously thinks he's capable of following through on violent acts because he wrote a Tweet saying "I support Hamas", I suspect the government is badly mismanaging…

You can’t be that naive, can you? It’s obviously not the Tweet they’re worried about. They think the Tweet is indication that he supports Hamas enough to aid or promote them secretly. “If this guy is this outspoken publicly for his support of Hamas, what must he be doing to support them behind closed doors? Does he donate to them? Organize for them?”

Whether or not that’s enough to search him is another debate, but that’s what their thought process was when they decided to detain him.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by lilsoso »

Laforet wrote: post #56

Arbitrary search and seizure at the border has been a steady feature in western countries for, like, the solid part of the past two decade. I have travelled to the USA three times during this period and during every single visit I had been pulled aside by the TSA for extra screening (SSSS). In the last 5 years or so when I return to my home country of New Zealand, I have been repeatedly searched by customs which has…

While scanning your comment history looking for unusual interests, I found an intriguing comment that's unrelated to this topic: "Cash is already heavily monitored and most petty criminals have already moved on to Amazon gift cards."

Can you describe what you mean when you say cash is heavily monitored?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by [deleted] »

logicchains wrote: post #179
dash2 wrote: post #150

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I cannot believe I have to say this. No, beheading children and torturing them in front of their parents is not a "counter-attack", nor is it "resistance". This statement is actively evil.

>No, beheading children and torturing them in front of their parents There's absolutely no evidence this happened.

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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by ignoramous »

Arch-TK wrote: post #77
semanticist wrote: post #38

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In the UK there's the concept of a 'proscribed organisation', that is an organisation which is illegal and the promotion of that organisation is illegal. Hamas is on the proscribed organisation list. Here's the relevant legislation: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/12 And the list of proscribed organisations and a more accessible explanation of the law: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/p…

>This law is very clearly being selectively enforced, as lots of people have "express[ed] an opinion or belief that is supportive of" Hamas in recent days, but the police aren't knocking at their doors. (Yet.) Every law in the UK is selectively enforced. Except maybe laws regarding speeding if they have evidence. The laws in this country are so vague that I am certain that every adult has broken some of them. If the…

> The laws in this country are so vague that I am certain that every adult has broken some of them.

Sounds like India learnt a thing or two from the British, here.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by ignoramous »

bawolff wrote: post #96
TheDong wrote: post #17

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It is likely the following tweet: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... > I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

In other words, he opposes war except when he agrees with it. Even the most hawkish person would probably say the same thing. "War is terrible except when i think one side is justified" is hardly a pacifist take.

Speaking of hawkish persons, you're reducing what Craig terms "genocide" to war.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by remram »

enasterosophes wrote: post #281
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #214

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Yeah but, you refuse to give the information, so that's a crime; even with a lawyer you're then liable for a maximum of two years imprisonment. That's the fucker about these laws; in a lot of constitutions (note that the UK does not have a constitution so I'm not sure how it works over there), you have the right to not provide evidence that may lead to your conviction. But rules like this go counter to those.

Maximum of two years, in practice means you'll be out in a few months on probation. You'll keep most of your life and get a story to tell for the rest of it. Worth calling their bluff, I reckon.

Months in prison is worth what now?

You're gonna leave your family, lose your job, have to explain to everybody you know that you were in jail for a while. For a good story?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by quiquiqui »

kossTKR wrote: post #83

As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel? When talking to colleagues, family, and even my Israeli friends there's a plurality of opinion, sadness, serious discussions, but when looking at mainstream media, even relatively moderate it seems like everyone and their grandma is screaming for bombs and are "tired of the stupid poor pa…

It's weird because with so many Palestinians in the media, the state department, etc. you would think there would be overwhelming support for Palestine.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mecsred »

greggsy wrote: post #87
lesuorac wrote: post #71

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Stolen goods can't be used for terrorism? I mean how am I supposed to know if you don't intend to use that banana you didn't pay for as part of a phalic terrorism display without getting access to your text messages?

You’re deliberately ignoring an honest explanation.

No, they're pointing out the ways that explanation is dishonest. You cannot look at the political landscape and tell anyone in good conscience that officials will use an honest interpretation of the law.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by remram »

renonce wrote: post #233
coldtea wrote: post #86

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"Don't worry, we'll keep you imprisoned until you remember or manage to brute force it. We also don't care what you told your doctor..." See how power works?

The anti-terrorism act used in this case allows detention of no more than 1 hour, or no more than 6 hours under certain conditions. Arrest involves other charges so what you described could happen, but not without turns.

Having withheld evidence is the crime, they will be able to prove you did that. Even if you were otherwise innocent.
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