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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by dgfitz »

cheeseomlit wrote: post #199
xdennis wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your analogy is wrong because Jews were there before Arabs. It's like saying that Cherokee would be colonizers if they moved to North Carolina, which is their original homeland before they were forced to move to Oklahoma (the Trail of Tears).

Weren't the Philistines in the old testament the ancestors of the Palestinians? Meaning they were there first presumably, since the Israelites had to fight them to take the region in the first place

My (possibly incorrect) understanding is that this goes all the way back to Jacob and Esau, if one considers the Bible as purely a historical reference and not a religious text.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by aembleton »

Arch-TK wrote: post #73

>This is an enormous abuse of human rights. The abuse of process in refusing both a lawyer and the right to remain silent, the inquiry into perfectly legal campaigning which is in no way terrorism-associated, the political questioning, the financial snooping and the seizure of material related to my private life, were all based on an utterly fake claim that I am associated with terrorism. It's not explicitly stated a…

The UK is still a member of the ECHR, so there are human rights.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by renonce »

coldtea wrote: post #86
op00to wrote: post #34

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Man, I totally forgot my password. Over the last 3 weeks I started forgetting passwords, only passwords. (Make note to mention this offhand to my dr at next appointment)

"Don't worry, we'll keep you imprisoned until you remember or manage to brute force it. We also don't care what you told your doctor..." See how power works?

The anti-terrorism act used in this case allows detention of no more than 1 hour, or no more than 6 hours under certain conditions. Arrest involves other charges so what you described could happen, but not without turns.

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Post by aembleton »

IYasha wrote: post #182

While I'm overall feeling very sorry for the author, I can't help but note the color of the article text which I'm really struggling to see. My vision is not the best, and my display is just terrible, but I don't think it's so bad for just me. So if, after this terrible problem is hopefully resolved, I would humbly suggest fixing this issue.

Just click on reader mode in Firefox. Makes it much easier.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by kossTKR »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #108
kossTKR wrote: post #83

As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel? When talking to colleagues, family, and even my Israeli friends there's a plurality of opinion, sadness, serious discussions, but when looking at mainstream media, even relatively moderate it seems like everyone and their grandma is screaming for bombs and are "tired of the stupid poor pa…

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See this is exactly the extreme war hungry rhetoric i'm frightened by.

Looking at historical context, calling for thinking before acting, looking at both sides, is not being a "useful" idiot.

Especially when Israel has killed a hundredfold more palestinians over the span of decades and Israel itself helped create Hamas through these extremely violent hardliner measures:

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c...

I say we stop blood dripping revenge, we've already stuffed a million people into a concentration camp and effectively carpet bombed them for years, with lots of civilian casualties besides the Hamas that we can all agree to condemn.

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Post by krageon »

skrebbel wrote: post #79
marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

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The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

How does this look in practice? I’m not saying you’re wrong but your formulation suggests that some faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club put down their whiskeys, ordained that mr Murray be bullied and so it went. That’s the stuff of movies and dictatorships, right? Do random UK civil servants really abuse the system to this extent for personal or political gain?

Yes, but you can strip "UK" away from that. People habitually and casually abuse their power in almost any instance they have it. If this sounds outlandish to you, that's really nice and you probably shouldn't take that naivete away from yourself. It won't improve your life to know otherwise.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by enoch_r »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #160
enoch_r wrote: post #145

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The numbers we have for IDF civilian deaths in Gaza come from the governmental authority in Gaza. That government authority happens to be Hamas. - Hamas falsely attributes civilian deaths to Israel (as you can see from the "hospital strike") - Hamas vastly inflates civilian casualty counts, somewhere between 2-5x as you can also see from the "hospital strike" which was immediately claimed by Hamas to have killed more…

Half of Gaza's population _wasn't even born_ yet when Hamas was "elected" so this point is kind of moot

I'm not saying that Gazan civilians deserve to suffer because they voted for Hamas. I am saying that Hamas tries to inflate the death toll for Gazan civilians (both by lying about that toll, and by taking actions with the express purpose of increasing that toll).

If you refuse to go to war with Hamas because of this fact, you incentivize that behavior.

I can't really think of a more just case for war than "the government of a neighbor just brutally, intentionally slaughtered civilians in a surprise attack in our country." It doesn't matter whether the neighboring country is a dictatorship or a democracy.

It very much sucks for the people of Palestine that Hamas chose to start a war with Israel and is using tactics that purposefully result in the death of Palestinians. I hope that they stop putting rocket launchers in and next to schools. I hope that they start allowing people to evacuate. I hope that they stop lying to their people about "psychological warfare" in an effort to get more of them killed. I wish that neighboring countries would allow Palestinians to escape the carnage, and adopt strategies that actually support the Palestinian people rather than the Palestinian cause.

But the IDF and Israel do not control that. And I'm honestly not sure what people expect from them. If you can't fight an enemy that hides behind civilians, then hiding behind civilians is an obvious winning strategy. And personally, I don't want to live in a world where the government most willing to sacrifice their own people automatically wins any conflict.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by credit_guy »

Maybe some lawyer can explain to some complete noobie. I thought you always have the right to not answer any questions until you have your lawyer present, and that you have the right to that one phone call to a lawyer. My knowledge comes entirely from movies and novels. I understand that there could be exceptions, but what is the basic rationale of the exception here? The UK is a country of laws, and generally the laws are not absurd. What is the extend of this exception? Can the information they get from you be used in a court of law to incriminate you?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by denton-scratch »

denton-scratch wrote: post #207
ImaCake wrote: post #106

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Are you in the USA? Apparently the american media is particularly pro-israel. I am in Australia and find the media is very pro-israel but is happy to also say that israel’s actions are unsavory. I understand that Europe is much more balanced than Australia on this one.

> I understand that Europe is much more balanced than Australia on this one. I'm in the UK. It depends what you mean by "balanced". What I'm seeing on TV news has been changing. At first, they didn't try to link Hamas to terrorism. They've been berated by Israelis for that; so now every time they mention Hamas, they add a clause like "Hamas, an organisation that is proscribed in the UK and many other countries for te…

BTW, the other thing that's "odd" is that all the channels have their tone in sync; BBC, ITV and CH4 change their tone in lockstep.
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