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Psychedelic Mushrooms Hit the Market in Oregon

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What does it mean when you say "Jesus saved me"? This is an earnest question, not instigative.

You're asking me to summarize years of reflection and several near-death experiences into an internet message board comment, but I'll try to scrape the surface. In short, I had lost all faith in the "official narrative" of creation/existence/whatever as taught in schools/society/etc. that I had grown up believing (growing up I'd have called myself atheist, then agnostic). You might call this an anti-science view, but…

Sounds to me like you're still hallucinating.

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Wellbutrin is not an SSRI, but a NDRI (norepinephrine and dopamine reuptake inhibitor). Some people respond better to the latter.

I take Wellbutrin and I’m not sure what it does for other people, but for me, it gives me a buffer of patience to draw from that I didn’t really have before. Negative or frustrating events don’t feel quite as urgent and I’m able to calmly move forward better than I can without it. Which is very helpful when you’re taking care of kids.

This is my experience, too. Bupropion (Wellbutrin) seems to dampen the spike of cortisol or adrenaline or something that I can get when something really irritates me. As a single father of two middle school age boys, it has helped a lot.

Btw, have you noticed exposure to sunlight to make you even more laid back? I've recently been casually tracking a correlation in that for myself.

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Here's hoping more accurate dosing will be a side effect of this. Going by rough weight of a plant that includes a lot of water always seemed kind of sketchy to me. I've heard of tinctures made by dissolving them in alcohol, but I don't think even those are measured objectively. No idea what sort of titration/measurement you'd do to determine the mg amount of psilocybin, or if that's even well documented.

> Here's hoping more accurate dosing will be a side effect of this. Going by rough weight of a plant that includes a lot of water always seemed kind of sketchy to me.

> I've heard of tinctures made by dissolving them in alcohol, but I don't think even those are measured objectively. No idea what sort of titration/measurement you'd do to determine the mg amount of psilocybin, or if that's even well documented.

You could create a tincture and test it. And like the other person who replied said, the doses will be consistent.

Personally I took magic mushrooms once. I've always been an anxious person. For at least 2 or 3 months after. My anxiety was gone like never before, I was not scared of anything or talking to anyone. I was the most free I ever was. Ive been wanting to take another dose soon, I think I should... 1g.

I make full spectrum CBD oil for myself and family. It has a very real effect too. Much more powerful than most CBD products you can purchase, because it will contain more than pure CBD. Its the same process as a tincture with a few steps after. I turn 4 ounces (112g) into 60ml. ~300+ mg/g, take 0.05-0.1g. I think the benefits should be experienced without expectations, because they can vary. Helps with stress, anxiety, blood pressure, inflammation and some pain, arthritis, and others. There are some other compounds in this plant that can help with other things. CBG/A CBN, CBDA. A tiny bit of THC, which is naturally found in tiny amounts in most CBD containing plants, increases the effects of the others greatly. Too much THC alone has a negative impact if you continue long term use, at least on me. These compounds effect the endocannabinoid system, but have some off target activity which is why a variety of similar compounds can have a lot of different effects. Those other compounds can help with different issues-digestion, sleep. Keeping a decent amount of CBD/G(A) (by not cooking/heating it) is important too.

I am a very scientific person, and I understand some people are weary of this type of medicine. But what is your alternative? Eat the pills by big pharma filled with lies to sell drugs and make money? Take an SSRI so you can kill your sex drive and feel like a zombie? Maybe that won't happen to you, and I understand that they help some or many people. But if you understood the potential negative effects, and that some of them can be permanent, would you still be okay with starting it yourself? Perhaps something that has grown in nature with us can be beneficial, we came from the same planet, we evolved together. We consider other plants and vegetables from this earth to be healthy for us, why? Coffee, tea, in moderation, are good for you too. Tea is more than just caffeine.

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> SSRIs, are pretty terrible They're terrible for some people, but they work well for others. I don't think they should automatically be disregarded. > In the worst case, they cause suicidal ideation Is this actually true? My understanding is that people in severe depression can have suicidal ideation but not actually be able to put in the effort/energy needed to go through with it. SSRIs initially give you a little…

I took Sertraline (one kind of SSRI) to treat anxiety, never had depression. No panic attacks anymore, sexual drive was still good, after 3 months I felt superhuman and like my life changed, 3 months after that the suicidal ideation started. I thought it was something I could power through, so I gave it another three months before it became unbearable, and I couldn't book an appointment with my treating doctor for an…

I found that dosage of Sertraline made a notable difference for me. Too high a dose would get me in a hypomanic state. That may be where you were at when feeling superhuman. But mania can't last forever and is inevitably followed by a low.

Stopping cold turkey was bad news for me, too. I got the "zaps" any time I turned my head. So, I decided to taper down, which worked fine.

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That God kinda-became human to "sacrifice" himself (with no loss, got up 3 days later to live forever, nothing was sacrificed) in order to forgive the sins of people, but only if they believe it, isn't spiritual, it's silly. You owe someone something, and someone else or that person pays it for you -- but if you don't believe that happened, it never happened. Great stuff. I don't need to have an answer for life, the…

Yes, some of those things do sound silly... but they are not at all what most Christians believe.

Which part of the following is not believed by most Christians?

> That God kinda-became human to "sacrifice" himself (with no loss, got up 3 days later to live forever, nothing was sacrificed) in order to forgive the sins of people, but only if they believe it

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As far as the risks, I have a friend who's been "microdosing" acid and shrooms for a while, and recently had a legitimate psychotic break, thinking all of her life-long friends were in some kind of Truman Show-esque grand conspiracy against her. She ditched town and cut us all off for over a month. I can't say the drug use caused it, but I and the rest of her friends are of the opinion that it contributed (we all hav…

> We know that the microdosing also turned into macrodosing on a lot of occasions. It's pretty easy to slip into this. I don't have a good answer for solving this but criminalization is definitely a bad answer, so we will have to find a way to discourage such tendencies. It may be that it is mostly or entirely a cultural thing in which case public understanding of the drug is a prerequisite, so I'm glad more are star…

This thread found me at the perfect time I swear. A friend of mine just gave me a huge amount of shrooms. I've always been excited about microdosing, so I tried my first .4 grams the other day and felt a great layer of good vibes that day. I was going to increase the dose, knowing it's not really microdosing and figuring I could do this on a regular basis. I'm now taking this thread as a sign to slow my roll.

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The problem here is that there is no evidence. All the evidence of negative effects so far is anecdotal, which in reality calls for more research in the area [0]. In addition, only about 0.2% report having sought emergency treatment [1] when using psylocibin. [0] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... [1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/02698811221084...

As someone who partakes in psychedelics to a moderate degree, I don’t think it makes any sense at all to dismiss the very many negative outcomes as “no evidence”. Perhaps it’s under-researched, but your comment strikes me as ideological and/or hyperbole. Like with all treatments, it’s a careful balance of whether the risks are worth the positive health outcomes. But there’s no sense in denying that psychedelics, and…

> very many negative outcomes as “no evidence”. Perhaps it’s under-researched, but your comment strikes me as ideological and/or hyperbole.

Very many people have encountered aliens, but there's still no evidence of aliens. Your comment is more ideological hyperbole than the one you're replying to.

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It's justified in the context that's been set up -- certification requires a lot of time and the license is big bucks too. Add to that the length of a trip would be many hours. Finding a friend to babysit is not always easy. I've got this crazy idea on setting up a cooperative to do something like that. Leverage existing guides from tripsitters.org and others. Develop protocol and legal indemnification, identify suit…

I've been thinking of the same thing, and I think the ideal thing would be to use the psychedelics as a sacrament in the context of a weekend-long initiation ritual. Participants would travel into a remote forested location and go through activities and rituals that would give meaning to the psychedelic experience, as well as rituals and activities with the objective of integrating the psychedelic experience into the…

Woah! That was "the other spin" I had in mind.

I've had "friends" in the OTO and that is something I'd like to avoid, but yes, please! My contact info is in my profile -- please ping me, as I'd love to get involved.

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That God kinda-became human to "sacrifice" himself (with no loss, got up 3 days later to live forever, nothing was sacrificed) in order to forgive the sins of people, but only if they believe it, isn't spiritual, it's silly. You owe someone something, and someone else or that person pays it for you -- but if you don't believe that happened, it never happened. Great stuff. I don't need to have an answer for life, the…

Consider you are developing a genetic algorithm with the goal of creating a cohort of entities that have the ability to pursue light. Each generation, you initialize a set of start states based on the prior generation and let things play out according to your rules. In the end, you persist those that found the light by taking their information and carrying it on in some sense in the next generation. The information o…

If the goal is to evolve an entity which can pursue light independently, why compromise this goal by "relocat[ing] an entity that was very far from the light to be much closer to it"?

And if the goal is just to allow as many entities as possible to enjoy the light, why not relocate them all to be close to it? Why not save all of them into the next generation?

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What's missing from this article is that people are reaching for this because the standard medical treatment for these disorders, SSRIs, are pretty terrible. In the mild case, the common side effects are blunting of your emotions and sexual dysfunction. So you don't have panic attacks, but you live in a gray fog and your relationships suffer. In the worst case, they cause suicidal ideation. Psychedelics also have psy…

> the standard medical treatment for these disorders, SSRIs, are pretty terrible. In the mild case, the common side effects are blunting of your emotions and sexual dysfunction. So you don't have panic attacks, but you live in a gray fog and your relationships suffer. In the worst case, they cause suicidal ideation.

As others have stated in this thread, this overt generalization is harmful. SSRIs and psychedelics have both been studied, and both have outcomes that we don't really understand. To say one is better or worse than the other in most cases is pure ignorance.

We all have roughly the same physical properties to our brains but how they develop is truly unique to every individual, which leads some methods of treatment for mental health disorders more or less effective than others. I am 100% onboard with pursuing psychs for treatment if you want, but its not for everyone and neither are SSRIs.

I'd downvote this if the responses weren't so full of instructive counterpoints.

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