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I face investigation for terrorism

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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#181
post #46

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Are you unfamiliar with the oppression Palestinians experience? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid

18% of Israelis are Muslim. How many Jews are allowed in Gaza?

Are you trying to suggest that it's the Jews who are oppressed?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#182
While I'm overall feeling very sorry for the author, I can't help but note the color of the article text which I'm really struggling to see. My vision is not the best, and my display is just terrible, but I don't think it's so bad for just me. So if, after this terrible problem is hopefully resolved, I would humbly suggest fixing this issue.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#183
post #143

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The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

I'm from the UK, and my instant reaction is that this is an evidence-free conspiracy-theory. If you have anything to back it up, other than vibes, feel free to say so.

Well, it's also possible they read his Tweet and looked at his background and said "this dangerous person really is going to conduct violent acts in this country, we have no choice but to thwart him by seizing all his electronic devices using the most powerful law in the land, even if it de-legitimizes our use of this law for more serious matters." But since that hypothesis is so obviously cartoonish, it's hard to blame folks who look for more rational explanations like "the government is harassing a political opponent" (whether they're right or wrong.)

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#184
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> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#185
post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

Has the author done that? Hamas may be the ruling party, but there aren’t elections, so the people don’t have a choice. It’s further confused by the fact that Hamas is the government, so they also provide aid, run schools and hospitals, etc. Point being, there’s far more nuance to the whole situation than “Palestine bad.”

> but there aren’t elections

Hamas was elected by the whole of the West Bank and Gaza, in Palestine-wide elections. Fatah immediately launched a coup attempt. That failed in Gaza, but succeeded in the West Bank. It's Fatah (Israel's preferred "negotiating" partner) that won't allow elections; Hamas could only hold an election in Gaza, not in the West Bank. Hamas has no desire to validate the claim tht Gaza and the West Bank are distinct territories, which is the effect that holding an election in Gaza only would have.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#186
post #156

He tweeted: >"But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support." >“If that is a crime, send me back to jail.” > https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 You can't openly support a terrorist group in the UK. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#187
post #163

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Quit using the antisemitic victim card for people that dare criticize the State of Israel.

It is frankly disgusting how any discussion about the Middle East gets shut down by dishonest cries of "antisemitism". You know very well what you are trying to do here and you should be ashamed of it.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#188
post #101

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And keep voting the same way year after year.

This is not a problem of who is in power. All parties have an extremely authoritarian bend in this country.

I agree - I feel like voting for other parties will change the economic and social outcomes for this country, but overall the British society as a whole seems pretty content with a "strong" rule of the law where the authority is to be respected and anyone going against norms should be at minimum arrested. The recent changes that basically made protesting unlawful in this country are the best example - even though it would be chilling in many other places of the world, in UK the public seems to be either welcoming to these changes or is at least indifferent to them. Maybe we can blame the relentless campaigning by right wing media for making sure that the average British person thinks that few people sitting on the road and blocking traffic are #1 public enemy, but I don't know.....I feel like Britain always valued "order" above all else, so it's only natural that anyone braking said order has to be punished. Voting differently won't change that.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#189
post #161

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True, but I think that's more due to the age of the state than the geographic location. Israel is very young and was founded on land that already had a lot of people living there. Now they're mostly gone and Israel is declaring that it exists solely for the non-native inhabitants. Let's translate that into American terms so it's more understandable. What if the entire history of US settlement and expansion, from 1600…

Many of the people already living there were Jews. Many - about half IIRC - of the people who came there afterwards were refugees from surrounding Arab countries. What better demonstration could there have been that the Jewish people need a safe haven? Well, I can think of a better demonstration, because we saw it two weeks ago.

> Many - about half IIRC - of the people who came there afterwards were refugees from surrounding Arab countries.

It's true that many Jews lived in harmony with Arab nations prior to the founding of Israel. Founding Israel is what made those relations go sour. That literally was where this whole conflict started for the aboriginal peoples of the Middle East.

> Well, I can think of a better demonstration, because we saw it two weeks ago.

The attacks wouldn't have happened if the founders of Israel (not all of whom were Jews, looking at you Britain) hadn't decided to interpret an ancient holy book in a genocidal way.

The Palestinians lived there. Israel has been in the process of kicking them out ever since its founding. It doesn't get to blame the victim here. Yes, I know about the holocaust etc. etc. but one genocide doesn't warrant another.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#190

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>What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance Imagine if Russia manages to annex most of Ukraine, and converts the rest of Ukraine into an open-air prison. If twenty years later the people in that part of Ukraine manage to gather weapons and launch a counter-attack on Russia, wouldn't that count as resistance?

Your analogy is wrong because Jews were there before Arabs. It's like saying that Cherokee would be colonizers if they moved to North Carolina, which is their original homeland before they were forced to move to Oklahoma (the Trail of Tears).

That hasn't been true since Hadrian
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