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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by dash2 »

octopoc wrote: post #144
ImaCake wrote: post #98

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Lots of states are ethnostates to varying degrees. Japan and South Korea are arguably much more restrictive about who is considered a member than Israel. But there are many more; Finland, Iran, and Hungary come to mind. The New World has few ethnostates, but in Eurasia they are more the norm than the exception.

True, but I think that's more due to the age of the state than the geographic location. Israel is very young and was founded on land that already had a lot of people living there. Now they're mostly gone and Israel is declaring that it exists solely for the non-native inhabitants. Let's translate that into American terms so it's more understandable. What if the entire history of US settlement and expansion, from 1600…

Many of the people already living there were Jews. Many - about half IIRC - of the people who came there afterwards were refugees from surrounding Arab countries. What better demonstration could there have been that the Jewish people need a safe haven? Well, I can think of a better demonstration, because we saw it two weeks ago.

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Post by alistairSH »

enoch_r wrote: post #70
alistairSH wrote: post #24

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Has the author done that? Hamas may be the ruling party, but there aren’t elections, so the people don’t have a choice. It’s further confused by the fact that Hamas is the government, so they also provide aid, run schools and hospitals, etc. Point being, there’s far more nuance to the whole situation than “Palestine bad.”

The author tweeted the following ( https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... ): > To be entirely plain. > I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. > If that is a crime, send me back to jail. I think this is pretty clearly s…

Ah, well that's a bit more clear. I don't agree with what he said. But, it also doesn't strike me as terrorism itself or outside the bounds of free speech (at least as we know it in the US, which isn't quite the same as in the UK).

[I don't have a Twitter account, and try to avoid the site since access seems to be hit-or-miss since Musk took over]

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Post by dash2 »

logicchains wrote: post #154
kossTKR wrote: post #83

As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel? When talking to colleagues, family, and even my Israeli friends there's a plurality of opinion, sadness, serious discussions, but when looking at mainstream media, even relatively moderate it seems like everyone and their grandma is screaming for bombs and are "tired of the stupid poor pa…

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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by xdennis »

Kudos wrote: post #46
dgfitz wrote: post #33

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What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance? I was under the impression they were the aggressor, no? Why would the aggressor be in a position of resistance? Would this be akin to claiming Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? Aren’t those two things at odds with each other? Edit: typo

Are you unfamiliar with the oppression Palestinians experience? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid

18% of Israelis are Muslim. How many Jews are allowed in Gaza?

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

greggsy wrote: post #87
lesuorac wrote: post #71

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Stolen goods can't be used for terrorism? I mean how am I supposed to know if you don't intend to use that banana you didn't pay for as part of a phalic terrorism display without getting access to your text messages?

You’re deliberately ignoring an honest explanation.

You are correct. But in historical practice, we see that laws get misused. Powers, however legitimate, get abused. Restrictions gets stretched, and then stretched to the breaking point, and then obliterated.

So, while they deliberately ignored an honest explanation, they also had a legitimate point.

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Post by diggan »

coldtea wrote: post #117
diggan wrote: post #55

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> This is universal lmao It is not universal. Not sure why you'd claim so unless you've looked up the laws for every country. One example, Sweden: > 23 kap. 12 § rättegångsbalken ( https://lagen.nu/1942:740#K23P12S1 ) > Under förhör må ej i syfte att framkalla bekännelse eller uttalande i viss riktning användas medvetet oriktiga uppgifter, löften eller förespeglingar om särskilda förmåner, hot, tvång, uttröttning ell…

> It is not universal. Not sure why you'd claim so unless you've looked up the laws for every country. Probably because humans are not formal proof automata. When the parent said universal they meant "it is a thing across the world and across periods", and not "no X exists, where X is a country, and in X it's against the law".

Ah, maybe it's my non-native English-ness that shines through, but I've always understood "universal" as something implies like it is everyone, not "just in some places".

So I could accurately say "English language is universal" even though there are countries where people generally don't speak English at all?

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Post by kmlx »

kossTKR wrote: post #21
refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

First of i doubt he's done that. Second, the Israeli military has killed much, much more people, including thousands of civilians, kids and mothers over a half a century. There are countless of videos and reports of rich settlers, harassing, stealing property and straight up killing regular palestinian farmers and families just living in their houses. And third. Israel has actively supported Hamas to destroy moderate…

> First of i doubt he's done that.

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051...

he's done exactly that. and he's done this as well: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...

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Post by denton-scratch »

Cenk wrote: post #51
dgfitz wrote: post #33

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What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance? I was under the impression they were the aggressor, no? Why would the aggressor be in a position of resistance? Would this be akin to claiming Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? Aren’t those two things at odds with each other? Edit: typo

It could be considered resistance to the ongoing occupation of Gaza and the war crimes that Israel commits there (according to Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, B’Tselem etc)?

Gaza isn't occupied, it's besieged. Has been for about 15 years; before that it was occupied (and settled). Before that it was under Egyptian administration, and before that it was under UN administration.

Nobody has ever annexed Gaza.

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