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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by rmbyrro »

kypro wrote: post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Governments took advantage of the extreme fear created after the 9/11 attacks to pass these absurd laws.

I don't think we can call them "laws", because are clearly against the most fundamental values of any democracy.

No country is free anymore. Not even the US, which enjoys bolstering itself as "the free world".

Any freedom you enjoy in a democratic state nowadays is merely circumstantial and can disappear instantly at any moment.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by hef19898 »

octopoc wrote: post #90

Israel is an ethnostate[1], resolutions of Congress notwithstanding[2]. Imagine if Biden said "The US is a Nation-State Of The White People And Them Alone" the way a leading Israeli spoke about Israel[3]. But instead all major western governments are busy sucking up to Israel (this article is just one example) and declaring that Israel will always be our best ally. [1] https://www.npr.org/2018/07/19/630368973/israel-…

That the West supports Israel has very deep, historical reasons. And I agree, jews (as an ethnicity / people) deserve and need an own state. Especially after the holocaust. The implementation could have been handled so much better, because the Palestinians also deserve a home. And having Israel and Palestinians sharing a home nation is no futher away than it was in decades. No easy solutions.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mensetmanusman »

logicchains wrote: post #49
dgfitz wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance? I was under the impression they were the aggressor, no? Why would the aggressor be in a position of resistance? Would this be akin to claiming Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? Aren’t those two things at odds with each other? Edit: typo

>What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance Imagine if Russia manages to annex most of Ukraine, and converts the rest of Ukraine into an open-air prison. If twenty years later the people in that part of Ukraine manage to gather weapons and launch a counter-attack on Russia, wouldn't that count as resistance?

This analogy fails because it would require Poland to also close their border.

Gaza is essentially half controlled by Egypt.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by coldtea »

skrebbel wrote: post #79
marcus_holmes wrote: post #59

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The UK is very worried about Scottish Independence. Mr Murray is a very vocal supporter of that, and an active figurehead in the independence movement. I don't know, but I'm assuming that his support of Hamas is a nice pretext for the British Establishment to have another pop at him. As we predicted when the UK proposed these monstrous laws: they are being abused to go after anyone who annoys the establishment. That'…

How does this look in practice? I’m not saying you’re wrong but your formulation suggests that some faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club put down their whiskeys, ordained that mr Murray be bullied and so it went. That’s the stuff of movies and dictatorships, right? Do random UK civil servants really abuse the system to this extent for personal or political gain?

>but your formulation suggests that some faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club put down their whiskeys, ordained that mr Murray be bullied and so it went.

Whole departments are set up to work on internal "enemies of the state". Pressure from foreign governments (cough) also points to their undesirables. People above a certain station can trivially tell what is the establishment political winds, short and long term, and which are the "annoying" people that go against them. They also know that furthering the cause against them looks good to their superiors. They can and do build organizational "vendettas" and keep tabs, harass, prosecute them, for years, or even decades.

This goes all the way. Judges and prosecutors making decisions on such cases know who can help their career and what can hurt it, and so on. No explicit coordination needed, though there's a lot of that too - e.g. some established enterpreneur calling their favorite politician and asking them to "do something about that person", special interest groups created ad hoc, and so on. Check a comment by someone called Scott in TFA.

>That’s the stuff of movies and dictatorships, right?

Oh, sweet summer child.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by logicchains »

bawolff wrote: post #75
logicchains wrote: post #49

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>What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance Imagine if Russia manages to annex most of Ukraine, and converts the rest of Ukraine into an open-air prison. If twenty years later the people in that part of Ukraine manage to gather weapons and launch a counter-attack on Russia, wouldn't that count as resistance?

You have to imagine very hard to consider gaza to have been annexed. You could make an argument for "occupied" (although that in itself is debatable post 2005), but "annexed" does not make sense. For those not familiar with background context of why i say post-2005, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_G...

>You have to imagine very hard to consider gaza to have been annexed

Israel didn't annex Gaza, it (via the UK) annexed Palestine upon its creation, with Gaza and the West Bank being the land that remains un-annexed.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mardifoufs »

bilvar wrote: post #110
mardifoufs wrote: post #63

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Well, some lives matter more than the others. No one in the west cares about Palestinians. And the way people try to do blatant war crime apologia is by saying that Israel wasn't targeting civilians specifically (as if they would admit it lol) so that's fine! Even Russia pretends that it isn't openly targeting civilians but again, Palestinian lives are basically worthless so it's just different :)

If even Palestinians (Hamas) do not care about Palestinians and are holding them hostages or using Palestinian children as human shields, why would anybody expect from the West to?

Well I guess if Hamas doesn't care, that justifies war crimes from Israel.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mnw21cam »

semanticist wrote: post #76
londons_explore wrote: post #31

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Yes, in the UK you can be detained for 36 hours without the right to a lawyer, or 48 hours for suspected terrorism cases. During that time, you can be questioned, and if you do not answer, then your lack of answer can be used by a court to infer guilt ("why did you not say you were just out walking your dog when first asked?").

"You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence." (The 'Police Caution', see: https://www.gov.uk/arrested-your-rights ) This is, as I understand it, very different to the US right against self-incrimination where the courts are specifically not allowed to infer guilt from silen…

Except (as I hear it) that's not even true in the US. Apparently, it's not enough to stay silent - you actually have to say that you are exercising the right to be silent, otherwise they are allowed to infer guilt from silence.

In a very similar way, if I were ever detained in this manner in the UK, I'd be very likely to say "I am not refusing right now to answer your questions. However, since I cannot trust you to tell me the truth about my rights and responsibilities, and because of the power imbalance, I will wait until I have independent legal advice before participating any further in this interview".

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Post by hef19898 »

bawolff wrote: post #111
logicchains wrote: post #15

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>Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.

> Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq. I don't know why "numerically" matters. There is a big difference morally between someone accidentally killed while persuing a legal military target, and intentionally gunning down a rave or children at a day care.

Civilian infrastructure and housing are decidedly no legitimate milotary targets. Never have been, and this makes air power such a bad choice when fighting insurgencies, it is to indiscriminate.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Condition1952 »

spydum wrote: post #60
Condition1952 wrote: post #13

>I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. It is a real atrocity that most devices are unable to lie for us when a wrong password is typed and create a mock profile to waste time

the only software I recall doing this was TrueCrypt?

GrapheneOS has profiles, maybe that's the key. Google refuses to sell me a Pixel, though and I got tired

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by howmayiannoyyou »

kossTKR wrote: post #97
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #89

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What a bizarre thing to say. I wan't the jewish state destroyed? You are seeing ghosts my friend. The fact that not carpet bombing and creating a huge concentration camp for millions that had their land annexed is now equal to wanting the Israel state destroyed is a testament to how one sided some of you people see thing conflict. I'm pro peace, anti carpet bombing, and i see that Hamas has been supported by Israel t…

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