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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by bawolff »

logicchains wrote: post #15
refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

>Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.

> Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.

I don't know why "numerically" matters. There is a big difference morally between someone accidentally killed while persuing a legal military target, and intentionally gunning down a rave or children at a day care.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by collaborative »

kossTKR wrote: post #83

As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel? When talking to colleagues, family, and even my Israeli friends there's a plurality of opinion, sadness, serious discussions, but when looking at mainstream media, even relatively moderate it seems like everyone and their grandma is screaming for bombs and are "tired of the stupid poor pa…

We saw a sample of this when they ousted Corbyn

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by Joker_vD »

sideshowb wrote: post #88
bboygravity wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The voting public also doesn't have any way of doing anything against this in any meaningful or efficient way. Last I checked UK wasn't a direct democracy.

TBF it's not supposed to be a direct democracy. You can start a campaign. They can bring about change, in the long run. If a think tank was campaigning for something you didn't like, I bet you'd be first to complain about it...

Of course, for all of that you need money, and quite a lot of money, and where are you going to get it in such large amounts? Eh, I dunno, I am not a politician myself and lobbying and corporate donations probably have nothing to do with that.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by the-dude »

skrebbel wrote: post #102
the-dude wrote: post #84

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I believe in The Netherlands it is the same. I always assumed it to be universal.

Are you sure? I don’t believe that this is the case, esp for super heavy stuff like telling someone they don't have a right to a lawyer when actually they do.

Police is definitely bound to the law, like the right you are referring to.

This doesn't mean everything has to be true : an example from an earlier comment of mine is lying about which evidence they actually have.

edit: https://nieuws.nl/algemeen/20180203/de-politie-in-nederland-...

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by hef19898 »

bawolff wrote: post #69
dgfitz wrote: post #33

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What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance? I was under the impression they were the aggressor, no? Why would the aggressor be in a position of resistance? Would this be akin to claiming Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? Aren’t those two things at odds with each other? Edit: typo

> Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? I mean, russia did make that claim, in essence that they were resisting nato expansion. In fact i would say its a pretty common thing across many conflicts. The side that starts the conflict usually tries to shift blame (whether legitly or not) to the other side because its bad PR to be seen as the side starting shit. This particular conflict is comple…

The Hamas attack was as despicable as they get. As far as terror attacks go, it is right up there with 9/11. As is Israels reaction.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by [deleted] »

lucozade wrote: post #80
londons_explore wrote: post #31

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Yes, in the UK you can be detained for 36 hours without the right to a lawyer, or 48 hours for suspected terrorism cases. During that time, you can be questioned, and if you do not answer, then your lack of answer can be used by a court to infer guilt ("why did you not say you were just out walking your dog when first asked?").

> in the UK you can be detained for 36 hours without the right to a lawyer, or 48 hours for suspected terrorism cases That's if you've been arrested which doesn't apply in this case. He was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act which allows up to 6 hours of detention without cause and up to an hour without legal advice. > During that time, ...then your lack of answer can be used by a court to infer guilt I do…

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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by coldtea »

diggan wrote: post #55
fullarr wrote: post #47

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This is universal lmao And it's not just a current events thing

> This is universal lmao It is not universal. Not sure why you'd claim so unless you've looked up the laws for every country. One example, Sweden: > 23 kap. 12 § rättegångsbalken ( https://lagen.nu/1942:740#K23P12S1 ) > Under förhör må ej i syfte att framkalla bekännelse eller uttalande i viss riktning användas medvetet oriktiga uppgifter, löften eller förespeglingar om särskilda förmåner, hot, tvång, uttröttning ell…

>It is not universal. Not sure why you'd claim so unless you've looked up the laws for every country.

Probably because humans are not formal proof automata. When the parent said universal they meant "it is a thing across the world and across periods", and not "no X exists, where X is a country, and in X it's against the law".

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by denton-scratch »

londons_explore wrote: post #25
fullarr wrote: post #11

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Just an FYI Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Most of those claims were BS but you have to call their bluff to find out. He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords, and they will always tell you that you have to Edit: "allowed to" as in there's no consequences because of how difficult it is to prosecute them. It's intentionally ignored

> He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords Section 49 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 requires that if you know the information required and refuse to provide it, you can be sentenced to a maximum of 2 years imprisonment. However, the notice must be given properly in writing. So, while these officers perhaps were deceitful in asking verbally for passwords rather than giving a writt…

> you can be sentenced to a maximum of 2 years imprisonment

Yeah, but that involves a charge, and you get a lawyer.

I would have refused to answer anything without first consulting a lawyer; I won't take legal advice from the investigating policeman. "You say I have to answer? Fine, I'll answer if my lawyer confirms that." What can go wrong? The worst that can happen is that they charge you (with something?) for refusing to answer. Voila: legal advice.

I guess Craig's devices didn't have much of interest on them; he travels a lot, and has been mauled by the law more than once. So he can give up the passwords with confidence. And presumably they already knew what meetings he'd attended, with whom.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by bdsa »

hef19898 wrote: post #64
Belopolye wrote: post #53

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In this situation he tweeted something about supporting any of the actions that Hamas makes. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

Any action obviously goes to far. The situation is already bad enough as it is, a ground assault cpuld easily turn very, very ugly. And blow up thie whole powder cake that is the middle east. I just hope cooler heads prevail, but given the rather fragile political landscape in Israel, well we will see.

Powder keg

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by kossTKR »

ImaCake wrote: post #106
kossTKR wrote: post #83

As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel? When talking to colleagues, family, and even my Israeli friends there's a plurality of opinion, sadness, serious discussions, but when looking at mainstream media, even relatively moderate it seems like everyone and their grandma is screaming for bombs and are "tired of the stupid poor pa…

Are you in the USA? Apparently the american media is particularly pro-israel. I am in Australia and find the media is very pro-israel but is happy to also say that israel’s actions are unsavory. I understand that Europe is much more balanced than Australia on this one.

Great question, i'm in a scandinavian country that is what is so surprising to me.

I have family both here in the US and the UK, and everywhere seems to be the same. It's almost like there's been some secret doctrine implemented.

As an example the "relatively" moderate labour parties of both Denmark and the UK as come out as pretty extreme militaristic hardliner supporters of Israel doubting the effectiveness of ceasefires, using vulgar language about the Palestinians and refusing to acknowledge any crimes committed by "their side".

This is very surprising to me as i have family who fled the London bombings in WW2 and have always talked about the extreme importance of thinking clearly in conflicts, being merciful, never being going "hardliner" and most importantly being sceptical of military industrial complexes.

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