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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by jongjong »

The most logical way I an explain such events and the general decline of our societies is that a some people in power are criminals and in their paranoia are silencing all moral individuals who may pose a threat to them.

To find out who the criminals are in our system, we just need to identify those who are giving the commands. Unfortunately, a lot of people in high positions up the chain are likely compromised individuals (higher ups have dirt on them) so they will not reveal their source.

It seems like society is held up by a hierarchy of blackmail. We need to obtain info on compromised individuals and use them to spill the beans on their superiors via plea bargains.

What governments did to Julian Assange and what they're doing to Craig Murray is criminal. Those who are responsible should be prosecuted and the victims should be compensated.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by fullarr »

diggan wrote: post #55
fullarr wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is universal lmao And it's not just a current events thing

> This is universal lmao It is not universal. Not sure why you'd claim so unless you've looked up the laws for every country. One example, Sweden: > 23 kap. 12 § rättegångsbalken ( https://lagen.nu/1942:740#K23P12S1 ) > Under förhör må ej i syfte att framkalla bekännelse eller uttalande i viss riktning användas medvetet oriktiga uppgifter, löften eller förespeglingar om särskilda förmåner, hot, tvång, uttröttning ell…

We are talking past each other.

There are two truths:

1. It is forbidden by law in many places (including the US).

2. They will get away with it regardless, in nearly every case. So often that practically speaking it's allowed

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mardifoufs »

logicchains wrote: post #15
refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

>Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians Numerically speaking the IDF have killed a lot more civilians than Hamas. As have the US for that matter, literally hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq.

Well, some lives matter more than the others. No one in the west cares about Palestinians. And the way people try to do blatant war crime apologia is by saying that Israel wasn't targeting civilians specifically (as if they would admit it lol) so that's fine! Even Russia pretends that it isn't openly targeting civilians but again, Palestinian lives are basically worthless so it's just different :)

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by hef19898 »

Belopolye wrote: post #53
hef19898 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And pointing out the dire straights of Palestinians is different from supporting Hamas. The same way critizing Israel as a nation not the same thing as being anti-semitic. The whole Western media and political landscape somewhat fails to appreciate that small, but incredibly important difference lately. Heck, I am even getting Youtube propagan... I mean ads from the Israeli ministry of defence. But as the saying goes…

In this situation he tweeted something about supporting any of the actions that Hamas makes. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

Any action obviously goes to far. The situation is already bad enough as it is, a ground assault cpuld easily turn very, very ugly. And blow up thie whole powder cake that is the middle east. I just hope cooler heads prevail, but given the rather fragile political landscape in Israel, well we will see.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by skrebbel »

fullarr wrote: post #47
skrebbel wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Law enforcement is basically allowed to lie to you Is this pretty universal or is it an American thing?

This is universal lmao And it's not just a current events thing

Hahah lmao he asked a reasonable question lol!

If you don’t know, just don’t answer.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by _visgean »

kypro wrote: post #43
londons_explore wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He didn't have to answer questions or give them passwords Section 49 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 requires that if you know the information required and refuse to provide it, you can be sentenced to a maximum of 2 years imprisonment. However, the notice must be given properly in writing. So, while these officers perhaps were deceitful in asking verbally for passwords rather than giving a writt…

How does this work? If they have to provide writing what's the point? Surely the individual could just wipe their device in that time? If they confiscate the device during the initial detention then them issuing written notice that they need the password doesn't really change much since they're going to be getting access to your device whether you like it or not.

He was detained in a room. I am pretty sure there was a printer nearby and they could give him those documents in writing.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by mardifoufs »

hef19898 wrote: post #32
kossTKR wrote: post #21

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First of i doubt he's done that. Second, the Israeli military has killed much, much more people, including thousands of civilians, kids and mothers over a half a century. There are countless of videos and reports of rich settlers, harassing, stealing property and straight up killing regular palestinian farmers and families just living in their houses. And third. Israel has actively supported Hamas to destroy moderate…

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Yep, they literally announced that settlements will be back in force a few months ago.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/then-we-retake-gaza-hardline-m...

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by skrebbel »

fullarr wrote: post #62
diggan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is universal lmao It is not universal. Not sure why you'd claim so unless you've looked up the laws for every country. One example, Sweden: > 23 kap. 12 § rättegångsbalken ( https://lagen.nu/1942:740#K23P12S1 ) > Under förhör må ej i syfte att framkalla bekännelse eller uttalande i viss riktning användas medvetet oriktiga uppgifter, löften eller förespeglingar om särskilda förmåner, hot, tvång, uttröttning ell…

We are talking past each other. There are two truths: 1. It is forbidden by law in many places (including the US). 2. They will get away with it regardless, in nearly every case. So often that practically speaking it's allowed

Was it so hard just to lead with this?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by bawolff »

dgfitz wrote: post #33
TheDong wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is likely the following tweet: https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... > I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation. > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

What I don’t understand, how is it considered resistance? I was under the impression they were the aggressor, no? Why would the aggressor be in a position of resistance? Would this be akin to claiming Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch? Aren’t those two things at odds with each other? Edit: typo

> Russia is in “armed resistance” after throwing the first punch?

I mean, russia did make that claim, in essence that they were resisting nato expansion.

In fact i would say its a pretty common thing across many conflicts. The side that starts the conflict usually tries to shift blame (whether legitly or not) to the other side because its bad PR to be seen as the side starting shit.

This particular conflict is complex as the sides have basically been in low levels of conflict (and somdtimes not so low) for about a century, however the oct 7 attack by hamas seems like a totally new level of violence and crime against humanity compared to what came before.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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Post by enoch_r »

alistairSH wrote: post #24
refaelv wrote: post #12

Well, if you support Hamas after they butchered civilians, yes you'r supporting terrorism.

Has the author done that? Hamas may be the ruling party, but there aren’t elections, so the people don’t have a choice. It’s further confused by the fact that Hamas is the government, so they also provide aid, run schools and hospitals, etc. Point being, there’s far more nuance to the whole situation than “Palestine bad.”

The author tweeted the following (https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051...):

> To be entirely plain.

> I have always viscerally opposed war. I have dedicated my life to conflict resolution and reconciliation.

> But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support.

> If that is a crime, send me back to jail.

I think this is pretty clearly supporting Hamas. The "in the coming" bit gives him a bit of leeway, of course, since he's not actually saying he supported the October 7 massacre itself (though presumably he is saying he would support another one, if it were it to occur now?), but he certainly doesn't seem to be making the sort of "I support Palestinians, not Hamas" argument that you assume.

Personally, as an American, I've been told by Europeans here that our attitudes towards free speech are bizarre, and that government has an important role to play in, ah, curating the information ecosystem. Despite that, I still believe that people like Murray should be perfectly free to argue for their views, however much I personally find them abhorrent.

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