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Psychedelic Mushrooms Hit the Market in Oregon

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I'm sorry your experience of coming off them was horrible, but that is not "the experience", and many people come off them without issue.

Isn’t the difficult if coming off SSRIs well documented, both from a procedural and symptomatic angle?

Lots of contradictory studies, but this write-up[0] suggests 1 in 5 people have them _if_ they suddenly stop them rather than tapering them off.

0: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/discontinuation-syndrome...

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Thousands of dollars? Sounds like a scam to me. Just have a friend babysit you like everyone else.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to have professional babysitters who have had training and experience talking people through rough patches, maybe some first aid training too.

very true.

That said, a good friend (or more) who has experience with psychedelics can also really help.

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I'm sorry your experience of coming off them was horrible, but that is not "the experience", and many people come off them without issue.

Totally, I'm sure many people have no issues :-) Here's a recent Guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/17/i-stopped-sl... From the article: > Horowitz experienced a prolonged antidepressant withdrawal in 2015 that caused intense panic attacks and, he says, even left him contemplating suicide. This personal experience has led the training psychiatrist to become an advocate for reforming antide…

Also from your article:

> psychiatrist and former RANZCP president, Prof Malcolm Hopwood, says most people who taper off a standard antidepressant dose will be able to do so without major withdrawal symptoms ... "There’s a _small_ group who really experience significant withdrawal symptoms that they really find very difficult to manage"

Discontinuation symptoms are a real risk, but people who could really benefit from these drugs absolutely shouldn't be put off by a categorization of these symptoms as being typical.

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I too am fairly drug-averse. And after 40 years of avoiding all drugs but caffeine and alcohol, I dipped my toe into psilocybin and found not only was it profoundly therapeutic in terms of self-acceptence, self-love, and anxiety-reduction, I found after 3 or 4 uses, I had no further interest in it whatsoever. Is my experience universal? Of course not, but an anecdote to consider alongside yours.

Same here. Did it once and it saved my life. Point is it was only legally accessible to rich people. I.e. I had to fly to amsterdam pay for pre and post psychotherapy and multi day care. This is so wildly different to recreational use.

Care to share more? How much did it cost and was it a sherpa like experience?

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Here's hoping more accurate dosing will be a side effect of this. Going by rough weight of a plant that includes a lot of water always seemed kind of sketchy to me.

I've heard of tinctures made by dissolving them in alcohol, but I don't think even those are measured objectively. No idea what sort of titration/measurement you'd do to determine the mg amount of psilocybin, or if that's even well documented.

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The captcha on that is ridiculous. I couldn't pass until changing to another network (from fixed residential to mobile). Tapped a checkbox a dozen times and solved a half dozen rounds identifying objects in photos before giving up. Android Chrome, PiHole, nothing else. If the PiHole is to blame (haven't checked yet), I guess it sort of makes sense that I can't expect to read TFA when offering neither tracking nor dol…

There's a bit of a tiff between Cloudflare and Archive that causes this. Change your DNS to something else like Google's, 8.8.8.8, to work around.

Alternative proposal, don't use Google DNS since they gather a gargantuan amount of data on you as is. Personally I use Mullvad (they also offer DNS over HTTPS/TLS), but there are many fine providers out there.

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I'm a fairly drug-averse person. I have no qualms about other people using them, but it took us over 30 years to really understand the implications of legalized opioids. And that was after a lengthy and expensive FDA process. So respect to all of the early adopters who have nothing to lose and are willing to put their own sanity at risk. I just don't understand people who in one breath curse the Sackler family but th…

Opiods are only legal in some circumstances: We've known about opium addiction for centuries. Heck, we had the Opium Wars. That's not really what happened with the current pills, though. They were touted as not being addictive in the same way as opium. And then we prescribed them, didn't (and don't) offer realistic talks about how addiction starts with them, aren't giving people sick time so they are less likely to n…

> They were touted as not being addictive in the same way as opium

Oxycotin was never touted as "not being addictive".

Hell they had (and still have) a big "WARNING: OxyContin is an opioid agonist and a Schedule II controlled substance with an abuse liability similar to morphine." in their label.

It was a confluence of medical professionals being taught "pain is the 5th vital sign", "pain is routinely undertreated" and "controlled release opioids have a reduced abuse potential".

This was not necessarily bad because many of those things were true and the pendulum had swung back from "just tough it out", "Tylenol is enough for most people", "just one dose of opioids will make you an addict".

Then layer on top pill mill clinics popping up where doctors were dispensing scripts for 120 sixty milligram Oxycotin without so much as a physical examination, the DEA doing nothing despite having ample data in front of them that some doctors were dispensing milions of pills each year and the massive amounts of money doctors made writing the scripts by charging addicts cash.

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The captcha on that is ridiculous. I couldn't pass until changing to another network (from fixed residential to mobile). Tapped a checkbox a dozen times and solved a half dozen rounds identifying objects in photos before giving up. Android Chrome, PiHole, nothing else. If the PiHole is to blame (haven't checked yet), I guess it sort of makes sense that I can't expect to read TFA when offering neither tracking nor dol…

There's a bit of a tiff between Cloudflare and Archive that causes this. Change your DNS to something else like Google's, 8.8.8.8, to work around.

As a user, I don't give a shit? The service is unusable. Every time I try an archive.is link, I try the captchas 6 times and give up.

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Counterpoint: SSRIs were transformative for my depression. Side effects were minor and manageable (eg, Wellbutrin worked well to prevent any sexual dysfunction). I was on them for several years and had no problem tapering off. My understanding is that this is a pretty typical experience. Rhetoric like this was actively harmful in dissuading me for years from trying what ended up being by far the most effective treatm…

Thanks for sharing your experience. I think in my part my negative reaction is, like many people, having observed the effects of SSRIs on young people. It's well known that risks like suicidal ideation are actually higher among those under 25, and in general it is awful to see the mental health crisis among young people dealt with primarily via instantly reaching toward semi-permanent medication, rather than consider…

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