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Psychedelic Mushrooms Hit the Market in Oregon
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#62I'm a fairly drug-averse person. I have no qualms about other people using them, but it took us over 30 years to really understand the implications of legalized opioids. And that was after a lengthy and expensive FDA process. So respect to all of the early adopters who have nothing to lose and are willing to put their own sanity at risk. I just don't understand people who in one breath curse the Sackler family but th…
Liberty can be difficult to endure.
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#63What's missing from this article is that people are reaching for this because the standard medical treatment for these disorders, SSRIs, are pretty terrible. In the mild case, the common side effects are blunting of your emotions and sexual dysfunction. So you don't have panic attacks, but you live in a gray fog and your relationships suffer. In the worst case, they cause suicidal ideation. Psychedelics also have psy…
Counterpoint: SSRIs were transformative for my depression. Side effects were minor and manageable (eg, Wellbutrin worked well to prevent any sexual dysfunction). I was on them for several years and had no problem tapering off. My understanding is that this is a pretty typical experience. Rhetoric like this was actively harmful in dissuading me for years from trying what ended up being by far the most effective treatm…
Fully agree SSRI:s probably saved my life. SSRI:s are supposed to be used as part of therapeutic regimen with therapy and regular checkups with doctor, not as over-the-counter remedy like aspirin. I’m guessing that using them detached from any therapeutic context increases the prevalence of negative experiences.
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#64I'm a fairly drug-averse person. I have no qualms about other people using them, but it took us over 30 years to really understand the implications of legalized opioids. And that was after a lengthy and expensive FDA process. So respect to all of the early adopters who have nothing to lose and are willing to put their own sanity at risk. I just don't understand people who in one breath curse the Sackler family but th…
We do have some understanding of the safety profile of psilocybin, even if its Schedule I status makes it hard to research. At the very least, it doesn’t have physical dependency like opioids. However, the lack of significant safety research does make it hard to determine the incidence of development of disorders like HPPD but, unlike opioids, I can’t imagine someone wanting to continue taking psilocybin after develo…
> At the very least, it doesn’t have physical dependency like opioids.
There are also no known cases of psilocybin overdosing (same for LSD and Ketamine).
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#65What's missing from this article is that people are reaching for this because the standard medical treatment for these disorders, SSRIs, are pretty terrible. In the mild case, the common side effects are blunting of your emotions and sexual dysfunction. So you don't have panic attacks, but you live in a gray fog and your relationships suffer. In the worst case, they cause suicidal ideation. Psychedelics also have psy…
While my emotions have definitely been blunted to some extent, it's resulted in a massive improvement in my relationships.
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Opiods are only legal in some circumstances: We've known about opium addiction for centuries. Heck, we had the Opium Wars. That's not really what happened with the current pills, though. They were touted as not being addictive in the same way as opium. And then we prescribed them, didn't (and don't) offer realistic talks about how addiction starts with them, aren't giving people sick time so they are less likely to n…
Sure. But there are all sorts of negative side effects we should also be worrying about besides just dependence. And we've also known about problems from psychedelic abuse for centuries. And we're talking about dumping them on the market with way less oversight than we did opioids! It's like that truism about the military always fighting past wars...
> And we've also known about problems from psychedelic abuse for centuries.
Such as?
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#67It comes at a price point many can't afford. There should be more options. As noted elsewhere, it is powerful medicine and not without risks. But we also need to remember that many other medications come with significant risk as well, including suicidal ideation. So yes, it's powerful and should be treated with respect, but many of those other medications don't require you to spend thousands of dollars to have a baby…
Thousands of dollars? Sounds like a scam to me. Just have a friend babysit you like everyone else.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to have professional babysitters who have had training and experience talking people through rough patches, maybe some first aid training too.
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I dunno, The Good Earth was written in 1931 and didn’t exactly paint a great picture of opioids. People have been using these drugs for a very long time. Their affects are fairly well known. Opioids are addictive, mushrooms are not. That singular fact makes them very very different.
I mean, we could be saying the same thing about psychedelics in 30 years time. "Wow, everyone knew psychedelics were bad for hundreds of years! What were medical professionals doing recommending them in the 2020s?" I understand that we are not talking about the same specific mechanism (addiction), but I also want to keep my eyes open and not blindly stumble into the same broader category of problem all over again.
Except, we have known for centuries that psylocibe is benign. The Nahua people in Mexico's Central Valley people have been using them for ceremonial purposes for centuries with no addictive side effects ever reported; its use even being described in Spanish colonial codices [0]. They are only "new" to the Western culture. In contrast, we have known for centuries that opioids are extremely addictive. [1]
[0] https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_aztecorum
[1] Look under History and look for Avicenna https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid
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Counterpoint: SSRIs were transformative for my depression. Side effects were minor and manageable (eg, Wellbutrin worked well to prevent any sexual dysfunction). I was on them for several years and had no problem tapering off. My understanding is that this is a pretty typical experience. Rhetoric like this was actively harmful in dissuading me for years from trying what ended up being by far the most effective treatm…
Thanks for sharing your experience. I think in my part my negative reaction is, like many people, having observed the effects of SSRIs on young people. It's well known that risks like suicidal ideation are actually higher among those under 25, and in general it is awful to see the mental health crisis among young people dealt with primarily via instantly reaching toward semi-permanent medication, rather than consider…
I don't know if reacting to current events to offer medical advice is the best way to go. SSRIs were of great help to me when I was in the throes of my anxiety disorder, but psychadelics had given me harrowingly bad trips before I started a meditation practice (the mental fortitude has really helped.) One particular trip made me feel like I just came back from hell and I didn't feel "back" for days afterward. Mental health is tough and nobody seems to have the answers. As with everything, following the beaten path will lead you to surfaces well-trodden, and answers at this point in time are more personal than known science.
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#70What's missing from this article is that people are reaching for this because the standard medical treatment for these disorders, SSRIs, are pretty terrible. In the mild case, the common side effects are blunting of your emotions and sexual dysfunction. So you don't have panic attacks, but you live in a gray fog and your relationships suffer. In the worst case, they cause suicidal ideation. Psychedelics also have psy…
Treating "depression" with chemicals is simply nuts. (And a uniquely American idea.)
But you do you, I won't judge foreign exotic cultures.