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George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by inhumantsar »

EGG_CREAM wrote: post #48
squarefoot wrote: post #2

George Carlin should be studied, translated and dubbed in every possible language.

Unpopular opinion: much of what he said was just total bs. Even in an example from this article, he goes on a tangent about phrases that were not used then and still are not used. "They're not used cars, they're 'previously owned automobiles.'" What? Nobody calls them that, even today, 30 some odd years later. In my opinion, George Carlin sometimes had some kernel of good observation at the heart of his bits, that he…

What? Pre-owned is widely used by dealers and manufacturers

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

EGG_CREAM wrote: post #48
squarefoot wrote: post #2

George Carlin should be studied, translated and dubbed in every possible language.

Unpopular opinion: much of what he said was just total bs. Even in an example from this article, he goes on a tangent about phrases that were not used then and still are not used. "They're not used cars, they're 'previously owned automobiles.'" What? Nobody calls them that, even today, 30 some odd years later. In my opinion, George Carlin sometimes had some kernel of good observation at the heart of his bits, that he…

"Previously owned automobiles" just got shortened to "pre-owned" and that's all over the place today, and I daresay it's seeped into things other than cars.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by hfuyf65 »

EGG_CREAM wrote: post #48
squarefoot wrote: post #2

George Carlin should be studied, translated and dubbed in every possible language.

Unpopular opinion: much of what he said was just total bs. Even in an example from this article, he goes on a tangent about phrases that were not used then and still are not used. "They're not used cars, they're 'previously owned automobiles.'" What? Nobody calls them that, even today, 30 some odd years later. In my opinion, George Carlin sometimes had some kernel of good observation at the heart of his bits, that he…

It is not that unpopular. I suppose I appreciate his contributions a lot, but I agree about the kernel of truth approach rather than holy gospel.

I just happen to think he forced a lot of people to think. This one of those things some of his contemporaries tried and failed to do ( not for the lack of trying, it is hard to care after certain point ).

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by thrway63245 »

Kye wrote: post #55
hfuyf65 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree, but can you substantiate hypocrite claim? Also cancellation chance seems to depend on how 'big' you are. Chapelle wasn't cancelled despite attempts. I suspect Carlin would get in trouble, but since he had a strong following, it is hardly a given.

Refused to make jokes at the expense of one marginalized and vulnerable group he's part of, makes jokes at the expense of another he isn't. That's hypocrisy. The motivation to walk away was self-interested, not principled.

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Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by hfuyf65 »

LinuxBender wrote: post #54
hfuyf65 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet, but if you watch early Carlin it is the same pattern: 1. initially safe,sanitized corporate friendly jokes 2. some commercial success 3. ? 4. jokes increasingly become a social commentary and are less and less 'friendly'

I remember early Carlin and he pushed the legal limits of radio and TV broadcast from the start. AFAIK he was also the first to cross the lines with the "7 words" one can not say on that industry. He was always providing commentary on society but what I noticed was that his views got darker and more jaded with time. He started off using his knowledge of language to be rebellious and edgy, then delving more into self…

Hmm. My point is that Carlin did not start with 7 words. That is what he is famous for, but he didn't magically show up that day to recors that line out of the blue.

I am too lazy to dig it up now, but youtube has multiple interviews that go over that stage of his life.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by itronitron »

poszlem wrote: post #60
Tao3300 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the problem with "retarded" was that it became a pejorative. It's also just a harsh sounding word.

The term turned negative because it represented something that no one wanted to be associated with. Even if you were to use the phrase "unicorn-blessed" in the same context, over time, it could also develop a negative connotation. It's not the terminology that's a problem, but the situation it describes. "Idiot", "moron", and "imbecile" used to be medical terms.

>> if you were to use the phrase "unicorn-blessed"

yeah, that exact thing happened with the word "special"

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by PierreProstata »

hfuyf65 wrote: post #42
jdub wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not even in the same sport, let alone the same league.

Not yet, but if you watch early Carlin it is the same pattern: 1. initially safe,sanitized corporate friendly jokes 2. some commercial success 3. ? 4. jokes increasingly become a social commentary and are less and less 'friendly'

3. shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by LinuxBender »

hfuyf65 wrote: post #65
LinuxBender wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember early Carlin and he pushed the legal limits of radio and TV broadcast from the start. AFAIK he was also the first to cross the lines with the "7 words" one can not say on that industry. He was always providing commentary on society but what I noticed was that his views got darker and more jaded with time. He started off using his knowledge of language to be rebellious and edgy, then delving more into self…

Hmm. My point is that Carlin did not start with 7 words. That is what he is famous for, but he didn't magically show up that day to recors that line out of the blue. I am too lazy to dig it up now, but youtube has multiple interviews that go over that stage of his life.

Yeah I am not saying he started with the 7 words either, rather he was always one of the first to push the limits as the limits evolved. There were other taboos crossed prior to him.

"I Love Lucy" was the first TV show to say "Pregnant". "Bewitched" filmed Samantha wearing almost see through evening wear but television was such grainy low resolution analog broadcast that the audience was unaware. The remastered DVD's make that more obvious now. There are many other lines that in hind sight seem odd now. Benny Hill crossed a few lines and managed to get nudity allowed on TV when it was otherwise forbidden.

Re: George Carlin's "Soft Language" (2019)

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Post by pohuing »

eesmith wrote: post #51

I don't think Carlin's observation holds much support. Take the classic "shell shock" bit. Carlin defines it at "a condition in combat that occurs when a soldier is completely stressed out and is on the verge of a nervous collapse." However, that is not the WWI definition. Quoting https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.2... : "The term “shell shock” evolved in an attempt to describe cases that aro…

I'm sorry did they see a completely terrified person and decides torture and mutilation would get them back on track?!?
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