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Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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Regardless of the numbers referenced in the article, the bottom line is people are continuously leaving CA and NY for other states. Florida's real estate is by no means less expensive than CA or NY. It seems rather obvious the continued outflow from CA and NY is CA's and NY's suffocating regulatory and tax environment.

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Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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Regardless of the numbers referenced in the article, the bottom line is people are continuously leaving CA and NY for other states. Florida's real estate is by no means less expensive than CA or NY. It seems rather obvious the continued outflow from CA and NY is CA's and NY's suffocating regulatory and tax environment.

Florida's real estate is definitely cheaper than CA or NY. Median price is 1/2 of CA and 3/4 of NY. Plus much lower taxes.

Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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California is very expensive for what you get, and grew to become quite unpleasant to live in. High crime rate and a bunch of woke DAs and activists makes family life in the Bay area uncomfortable. And then you're supposed to pay a premium for it all? Expensive daycare, indoctrinating schools, crappy government and private services, high taxes, NIMBYs, and the constant moral judgment of kidless activists who know wha…

Youre conflating living in SF with living in every other part of CA. I can assure you that not all of CA is like SF

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Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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California is very expensive for what you get, and grew to become quite unpleasant to live in. High crime rate and a bunch of woke DAs and activists makes family life in the Bay area uncomfortable. And then you're supposed to pay a premium for it all? Expensive daycare, indoctrinating schools, crappy government and private services, high taxes, NIMBYs, and the constant moral judgment of kidless activists who know wha…

> Expensive daycare, indoctrinating schools, crappy government and private services, high taxes, NIMBYs, and the constant moral judgment of kidless activists who know what's best. All of this applies to Arizona, Texas, and Florida. Arizona in particular has had the highest increase in housing cost since the pandemic started of out of any state.

High increase != just as high entry price

If you can't afford a million dollar home you're gonna have a much harder time in urban or suburban coastal CA than you will in... almost anywhere else, including AZ, TX, FL.

The rest of the parent poster's complaints are pretty SF-centric, though.

Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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California is very expensive for what you get, and grew to become quite unpleasant to live in. High crime rate and a bunch of woke DAs and activists makes family life in the Bay area uncomfortable. And then you're supposed to pay a premium for it all? Expensive daycare, indoctrinating schools, crappy government and private services, high taxes, NIMBYs, and the constant moral judgment of kidless activists who know wha…

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?? Even the local politician acknowledge crime or at-least super visible crime is up. They have different views of why but they aren't just like "no it's not!".

Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youre conflating living in SF with living in every other part of CA. I can assure you that not all of CA is like SF

Even more, SF is just a very small part of the Bay Area in general, which with the remote-first movement has also expanded to the north (Santa Rosa) and south (Santa Cruz). There are many many places that are nice to live in California - and I almost don’t want to tell anyone about my town (Aptos) because I don’t want it overrun. :)

Aptos and Capitola are really nice areas for sure! But I don’t think they’ll be overrun any time soon as there’s nowhere to build :) and I agree, there is much more to California than the Bay Area. Across the bay there’s PG, Monterey, big sur. Further down you have SLO, Santa Barbara, Santa Monica, Laguna, San Clemente, …

Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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Makes sense since Texas is akin to California with regards to restrictions where you can carry a firearm. Namely gun free zone signs carrying the force of a felony preventing carry pretty much anywhere slightly urbanized. In for a penny, in for a pound as they say. FL and AZ are far less punitive in this regard.

A very US comment and surreal for the rest of the world, for most people in the most of the developed world this doesn't come in top 1500 priorities during any phase of life.

If we talk about picking a place to live, why not choose something that is not completely FUBAR that you don't actually have to worry about such things? That isn't a mark of high quality life.

Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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> The flow of Californians to Texas has marked the largest state-to-state movement in the U.S. for the past two years, but it decreased from more than 107,000 people in 2021 to more than 102,000 residents in 2022

The data is available for anyone to download, and it has margins of error itemized for every number they provide [0]. The margin of error is around 10k for this number (CA->TX) and the observed difference is 5k, which means that the entire article is just interpreting statistical noise.

The reported variation in AZ's inflows are also within the margin of error. The only number in the headline that isn't is FL, with a difference of 13k and a MOE of 7K.

[0] https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/geograph...

Re: Fewer Californians are moving to Texas, but more are going to FL and AZ

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California is very expensive for what you get, and grew to become quite unpleasant to live in. High crime rate and a bunch of woke DAs and activists makes family life in the Bay area uncomfortable. And then you're supposed to pay a premium for it all? Expensive daycare, indoctrinating schools, crappy government and private services, high taxes, NIMBYs, and the constant moral judgment of kidless activists who know wha…

Youre conflating living in SF with living in every other part of CA. I can assure you that not all of CA is like SF

SF isn't even in the top 20 most dangerous cities in California.
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