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Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

#301
I've also been banned from advertising on Facebook. The story is pretty funny, I spent a little bit amount of money to try a campaign, none really converted so I gave up. Then 6 months later (yes you read that right), Facebook banned the completely inactive account which had done nothing during those 6 months.

They do still send me ToS updates by email though like it somehow matters and that I'm somehow bound to it.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Or they could, you know, spend some of their billions on employing humans to review these cases.

The spammers can produce far more cases than the humans can review. Welcome to the world of automation.

You can put review on a system requiring additional ID/information/escrow payment.

A genuine business will be willing to put down some information and a cash payment for a review; spammers won’t have the time or resources.

You run the risk of a perverse incentive to trigger it for revenue but make the fee refundable or something.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Perhaps you're not allowed to use Facebook for selling animals. Which would be sensible IMO

Selling pets should be fine?

There are many laws regarding pet ownership and for good reason, if not involving an invasive species there's also animal cruelty issues. Pandas and other exotic animals need specialized care which a typical vet will not be able to provide. And that's if they aren't dangerous. Then there's the puppy mills, which is a huge issue on its own.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

#304
I suspect the only solution for these cases is some form of small claims court / independent arbitration process (and not just for Meta, but for all of the FAANG bunch and their like).

Can you imagine a big tech employee having to say to a judicial person, "The system automatically blocked the user, then automatically denied their appeal, and we have no way to know why, because there is no evidence or other supporting data because we deleted it all."

Surely any form of arbitration or legal scrutiny would turn that into an instant default judgement against the tech giant?

And while I would generally support the right of any business to choose who to do business with, there comes a point when a business becomes somewhat monopolistic, and a gatekeeper of access to the market, at which point these kinds of decisions need to have a reasonable route of appeal.

It remains to be seen if the behaviour of these companies will change in response to legislation, for example the EU Digital Markets Act has some obligations relating to "Allowing business users to access end users" that may be relevant.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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You can always contact them? I can’t say my experience with their support has been anything like good, but we did eventually resolve the problem. Apparently Stripe has great difficulty with non-Japanese people, living in Japan, owning a company overseas.

We tried, to no avail, just got the same unhelpful answer each time. Although we didn’t push too much, as we were still relying on the sole proprietorship account, and didn’t want to jeopardize that! Now that we’re 90% done with the migration to PayPal, I think we can try again…

It sounds like the real story is you need to keep two payment processing setups active and used at all times, because you never know when one is going to mysteriously disappear.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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AIs should be globally banned from making final decisions. Whenever an AI makes a decision, it should be guaranteed that you can demand a human to actually review the case, evaluating evidence manually. It is also questionable whether lifetieme bans should be allowed to exist, let alone full bans like when Google's AI dislikes something in your app and you loose access to your GMail and everything forever (in my oppi…

           A COMPUTER
  CAN NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
  
  
  THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER
     MAKE A MANAGEMENT DECISION
— IBM slide, 1979

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Perhaps you're not allowed to use Facebook for selling animals. Which would be sensible IMO

Selling pets should be fine?

Selling animals is highly regulated in much of the world, which is why you see “free animals but pay for the shots” kind of things here and there.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Another sad anecdote: A bank in Finland suspended an account for a text in free-form message field of a bank transfer. The message was for a vet visit of a dog named Ira. When you say "Ira's payment" in Finnish, you add suffix -n, so the text field said Iran, which of course must indicate money transfer to a sanctioned country. It is comforting to know that the bank system catches all the illegal activity that the sa…

At least you got an explanation, I had my Vivid account blocked without one, the only interaction was by chatbot, the only response I got was can't disclose the reason because of compliance issues. For extra fun trying to get the funds on the account back I had to go to an online form, which didn't have the fields I was told to fill in, and again was met by no response. Eventually had to go through EU dispute settlem…

I had a financial company attempt to withhold my money so I skipped the chatbot and went straight to the CFPB. They were suddenly able to ACH the funds back to the account they originally took them from. Just goes to show how arbitrary and capricious all these companies are.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

#310
FB's enforcement style is shitty but IMO the larger point here is that they're no longer built for small business advertisement

if you're an agency or if you're large enough to have an account manager, things go smoothly

if you have facebook / insta cred and try to build a following on top, you're probably also okay

but if you get on there to build a business from scratch, and don't have the budget or creative team, it doesn't work for you. I tried last year, learned some tricks, but ultimately came away with 'this isn't what my business needs right now'

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