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Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by bb101 » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 9:55 AM UTC

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #45

Welcome to the future. Before too long this kind of bs will be an almost daily occurrence for most people who have to interact with businesses/institutions on the net. Highly automated inscrutable processes with hairtrigger banning logic and review paths that never lead to a human. Because the humans that survived the automation are too busy feeding the Algorithm to ever interact with the customers.

Our legal systems have already become like this. Only those with the knowledge on how to navigate the system or those qualified to interface in the expected protocols have any hope of achieving results.

Super-corporations are now just the next rung down, adopting all the habits of their superior, but without the responsibilities.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by quickthrower2 » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 9:56 AM UTC

folli wrote: post #120

random_coder wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with talking about animals anyway? Truly bizarre.

Perhaps you're not allowed to use Facebook for selling animals. Which would be sensible IMO

Selling pets should be fine?

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by quickthrower2 » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 9:57 AM UTC

shantnutiwari wrote: post #105

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #76

I'm banned for life from all Facebook properties (except for WhatsApp) because of my surname. They believe it's fake (or too controversial) and a copy of my passport hasn't changed their minds. I used to have a Facebook account ~13 years ago before their real name policy came into force, but I closed it because I found it awkward to refuse or accept so many contact requests by people from my distant past. Now unfortu…

and what is your surname?

most likely: fuck

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by sideshowb » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 9:58 AM UTC

noirscape wrote: post #79

lbriner wrote: post #47

The whole issue around not telling you what rule you broke "because then you might work around it" is total BS. It's like a company I complained to the other day because they didn't label one of the inputs on their password reset form because "it would help a hacker know what to type in it" (it was the password reset password they expected but you wouldn't know). How much quicker would this be resolved if the first A…

To be somewhat fair to Meta; the "violation of unclear rules part" part is an appropriate response for spam detection . Usually any entity dealing with the web don't want to reveal how their spam detector works because doing so could in turn reveal information on how to circumvent it[0]. The issue is that Meta thinks they're large enough that they can apply this to every single one of their business customers and all…

Or they could, you know, spend some of their billions on employing humans to review these cases.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by DrScientist » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 9:59 AM UTC

mongol wrote: post #50

lbriner wrote: post #47

The whole issue around not telling you what rule you broke "because then you might work around it" is total BS. It's like a company I complained to the other day because they didn't label one of the inputs on their password reset form because "it would help a hacker know what to type in it" (it was the password reset password they expected but you wouldn't know). How much quicker would this be resolved if the first A…

Yeah exactly. Imagine if our laws worked like that. Complete dystopia.

Sadly it's becoming true - the use of closed sessions where the evidence against you is seen by the judge in secret is becoming more widespread.

Against all natural justice - in the name of national security.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by jorvi » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 10:01 AM UTC

0xpgm wrote: post #95

lbriner wrote: post #47

The whole issue around not telling you what rule you broke "because then you might work around it" is total BS. It's like a company I complained to the other day because they didn't label one of the inputs on their password reset form because "it would help a hacker know what to type in it" (it was the password reset password they expected but you wouldn't know). How much quicker would this be resolved if the first A…

And some of these companies pride themselves as AI technology pioneers. Yet it seems their automated systems in this case are simply doing keyword matching. Mind-boggling!

Honestly I’m not so sure it would help, as these bots would be trained on previous customer service interaction.

I’ve been trying to get an Instagram account deleted for the better part of a year, and even with quintuple (!) ID verification and threatening to bring an GDPR case to bear, all I get is what amounts to “computer says no”, in such a talking-in-circles kind of way I am not sure I am talking to a human.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by btparker » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 10:04 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #133

skeletal88 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 1984 they don't have laws, only crimes, so whatever you do, you have to guess if it is illegal and will be punished or not. It is on purpose to keep the population in constant fear

Don't need for book references, that is how it is today in many countries, and it has been always in less democratic societies.

Yeah! How dare they, referencing literature.

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by geek_at » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 10:05 AM UTC

Meta is really the worst company I have dealt with in the past. We are trying to advertise with a budget of 700€ per month (in total over 50.000€) and they just can't figure out the payment process.

First they wouldn't let us add credit cards or normal accounts, just Paypal.. okay

Then (after many support calls and cases always by different agents of course) they activated our credit card. One payment got through then no more. Meanwhile on Meta side the "unpaid balance" is rising because they won't charge the card (support didn't help, mixed us up twice and invited us to a video call that was booked by someone else already)

Total madness. They just won't let us pay them

Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 10:06 AM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #106

m4rtink wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not telling you whats wrong should be highly ilegal, given how important these systems can be for modern society.

Isn't it already under GDPR where entity using AI to make decisions need to provide an explanation how it arrived at it?

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Re: Meta is banning people from advertising after running ads for Python and Pandas

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Post by rightbyte » Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 10:06 AM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #96

rightbyte wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of ad networks. It is just that they pay like 1/10th of what Google does to the site showing ads.

We have the opposite experience. They pay more, it’s just that the average ad-quality is also lower. We actually had to raise the minimum price even higher for the network to not show tons of borderline scam ads (now they are delivering fewer ads, but they are more relevant and higher quality)

Strange. I guess it varies with what Google's magic box guesses what an add on a site is worth.