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Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Another reason why I left California. You can't buy a Canik's as a non-LEO. Also, criminals get whatever guns they want and carry them while law-abiding citizens can't do anything except wish not to be mugged or murdered with strong objections. It's completely absurd given how violent America is.

Can you tell me, with sincere curiosity, how you expect being able to buy modern handguns to make America less violent? I ask as a gun owner.

There's a saying, "An armed society is a polite society."

The reason is because of perceived threat. If very few people are armed, people are more likely to act a fool because they don't fear the consequences from npcs. Risk taking along these lines increases as does the physical delta. But as the probability of random npc folks carrying approaches one, suddenly there is a very real chance that acting a fool carries permanent consequences.

Consider the active shooter in a church that was stopped in Texas by a worshipper concealed carrying. One person stopped a tragedy. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/man-who-took-out-church-gu...

And now consider other situations that tend to be heated where folks overreact: road rage, etc. Folks may be less likely to escalate things when they believe the other party has the ability to respond with deadly force.

This same hypothesis applies to mugging. While the mugger may get the drop on their victim, others nearby that are armed may be able to appropriately intervene to stop the initial assault.

Allowing the general public to not only be armed but carry the same stopping force as the baddies reduces the imbalance, leveling the playing field.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Are you sure? The one county I investigated has 14 law enforcement agencies and 12 school distrcts: https://www.marincountyda.org/local-links https://www.marincounty.org/residents/community/school-distr...

sorry I don't see what the links have to do with what I said. In my area of CA, school funding is provided by the county and police is funded through the city.

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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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post #307

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Yes military and SEC are and should be free to moonlight. It is extremely common for military to have two jobs, especially the military reserve. The only provision is that they can't have conflicts of interest.

Are they allowed to wear their military uniform at the side gig and exercise privilege given to them in a private paying role?

That would make things interesting if you hire, e.g., military personnel stationed at an ICBM launch site…

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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post #410

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We shouldn’t be doing anything to increase the number of guns in circulation. It reduces safety for everyone, especially the gun owners.

Whatever your ideology it seems a little craven to not want guns that happen to be out in circulation to be as safe as possible from incidents like misfires from accidental dropping.

Sig has yet to undo the reputational damage caused by their p320 failing the drop test, despite being fixed back in 2018 or 2019.

I agree that drop tests and other ND tests are appropriate. Although I would prefer a market based solution here instead of regulation.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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You actually need the sheltered life to not think this. You've only had the smallest interactions with them, in the circumstances where you had the slightest little misfortune to get a traffic ticket or where they were feeling generous that day. It's bizarre. "Why can't that internet weirdo see that the police are awesome and society would fall apart if they were gone?" only works if you've not paid attention to what…

Are you a troll account? I can't imagine someone being so obtuse, this must be a joke. You continue to paint any pushback as some bad faith, exaggerated caricature in order to support your silly ideas. The fact of the matter is most people trust most police, that is evidenced in polls after polls, in every community.

I've made sarcastic posts before, go through my comment history.

But this is one of my most sincere postings, I'm being serious, and I'm trying to point out something that others have trouble discerning and recognizing.

I can see how it would be more comfortable for you if you could think me a troll.

> You continue to paint any pushback as some bad faith,

You should ask yourself why your good faith is so bad for everyone. "I'm just doing what I've always done" is lame.

I've taught my children from a young age that we must never come to the attention of the police. That they are not friends or heroes. That, should they show up and we can't just disappear back into the background... whatever bad things might have been happening are likely to get worse.

That if, for instance, someone is trying to murder them, they must handle it themselves. That if we are stolen from, our belongings are gone for good.

You though, you're welcome to continue to live in your illusions, and god help you if those ever melt away like fog on a sunny day.

> The fact of the matter is most people trust most police,

Most birds think the spider-tailed viper is a convenient meal. Their consensus in the matter isn't very inspiring though.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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post #488

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The Supreme Court is responsible for a lot of this, it has institutionalized immunity for law enforcement and prosecution and unlimited corporate money in politics so that it would require overriding that lever of power which doesn’t seem likely since democrats just rolled over when the gop wouldn’t allow Obama to appoint a Supreme Court justice.

> since democrats just rolled over Did they have the majority in the senate, does the the senate leader decide the rules?

They could have changed the rules when they got the majority and they could have pushed for alternatives with some random ideas off the top of my head a.) just putting their appointed justice on the court while Obama was still President since the constitution does not specifically say approval just consent so with the anything goes interpretation of original intent that the current supreme court uses why not, b.) packing the court after they got the majority, c.) deciding to make term limits for supreme court justices - the forever a justice is not in the constitution. It like the current situation where one senator Tuberville can block the mass appointment of military leadership, they could change the rules or do it one by one but the leadership is too afraid of changing the way things have always worked around here.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Are you a troll account? I can't imagine someone being so obtuse, this must be a joke. You continue to paint any pushback as some bad faith, exaggerated caricature in order to support your silly ideas. The fact of the matter is most people trust most police, that is evidenced in polls after polls, in every community.

The people who are most affected by reduced policing are the marginalized communities where crime is rampant . He's correct that if you remove police from a well-off suburb not much will happen, because they mainly do tickets and domestics, and who really cares if a couple is fighting? But when police are removed from neighborhoods where crime is an issue, it immediately and directly affects those who live there, and…

Like in San Francisco, where the chief of police states publicly that having your window broken and your parked car trashed is just the price of living there?

Like when those big inner cities become food deserts because the retail stores start locking up the toothpaste and cans of soup behind glass cabinets a few months before they close down entirely and move out?

You think that those places could get worse than they are, and that the cops (who don't do anything to stop any of these crimes as they happen, or to deter them in any way because they're too busy concentrating on the drug war that brings in confiscated cash they get to keep) somehow prevent things from becoming even worse?

It's difficult to reconcile the idea that you live on the same planet that I do, and that (presumably) you have done so for many years.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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post #487

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If I could snap my fingers and make all the guns disappear tomorrow, I would. Until then, I've looked down the barrel of another man's gun and been attacked by neo-nazis and the police have disappointed me every time, so I'm gonna carry my own.

Im interested in your neo-nazi attack story I've never met or seen a Neo Nazi in my entire life, wondering how one ends up getting attacked by one.

They were a group of local teenagers and young adults with a shitty little clubhouse along a trail in the woods with some swastikas painted on it. They tried to corner me and my friends with what ended up being air guns with painted tips (since I wasn't into firearms at the time I completely thought they were real) because they thought we got too close to it. They probably weren't part of any organized nazi gang, but when they identify their property with swastikas, I'm gonna call them what they pretend to be. The police took and melted the air guns, but it didn't go any further than that. They've still got their hunting licenses, judging by their Facebook pages.

The other incident with a real gun I was referring to was a man pointing his revolver at me while I was picking up his daughter for a date, talking about how a man has to protect his daughter. At that point, I wasn't even scared so much as I was concerned what I was getting into. But since he didn't directly threaten me I was told that it was "negligent use of firearms" at worst, and didn't want to push it.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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post #487

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If I could snap my fingers and make all the guns disappear tomorrow, I would. Until then, I've looked down the barrel of another man's gun and been attacked by neo-nazis and the police have disappointed me every time, so I'm gonna carry my own.

Im interested in your neo-nazi attack story I've never met or seen a Neo Nazi in my entire life, wondering how one ends up getting attacked by one.

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