Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

Post by aa1234556 » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 9:23 AM UTC

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #348

thedaly wrote: post #49

> Santamaria was later required to come up with security plans outlining the number of officers needed per night. The officers insisted on getting paid cash, she said. She feared if she didn’t oblige, she’d lose her license. > Eventually, another officer helped schedule off-duty work: Derek Chauvin. He worked security at her club for 17 years. > ... > She sold the club in 2019. When Santamaria saw Chauvin pinning Geo…

One theory I read is that Floyd and Chauvin were part of the same counterfeiting ring operating out of that club, and Chauvin murdered Floyd in order to keep him quiet. (Recall that Floyd was originally arrested for suspected use of a counterfeit $20 bill.) I think maybe part of the idea was that nightclubs are interesting to counterfeiters because they deal with so much cash. (Racism still plays a big part in the Fl…

Post by School-Cotton » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 9:39 AM UTC

arthurofbabylon wrote: post #175

Already, police do this exact shakedown on cities. There are numerous incidents (anecdotal) of US police threatening city officials to reduce enforcement during election cycles, demanding increases in police force budget. Broadly, the US needs to eliminate corruption. There are many broken feedback loops right now from the grand (lobbying and campaign finance) to the minuscule (niche price fixing, bribery, police-ran…

Post by School-Cotton » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 9:45 AM UTC

MrJohz wrote: post #477

makeitdouble wrote: post #461

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> without anyone offering a clear, compelling alternative approach A minor gripe: asking protesters of a utterly shitty, but long standing, complex and entranched situation, to come up clear, simple and compelling alternatives is generally unfair. In particular the political process should work in reverse: people voice issues, and their governing bodies come up with viable solutions. That's their job. > police qualit…

> In particular the political process should work in reverse: people voice issues, and their governing bodies come up with viable solutions. That's their job. I get what you mean but the governing bodies of the people are the people. In a democracy, we are in charge of our own institutions, at least in theory. I agree that we can't lay the full burden for solving injustice on the people affected by that injustice, an…

Post by Kerb_ » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 10:18 AM UTC

lobf wrote: post #410

mcpackieh wrote: post #394

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You're [deliberately?] misinterpreting the stated intent of the law. A gun that goes off when dropped is substantially less safe than a gun which doesn't. People who buy guns are in fact justified in considering such factors. I think there's a real case to be made that the Californian law is duplicitous and is actually intended to reduce the availability of handguns in California, but that's not the point being raise…

We shouldn’t be doing anything to increase the number of guns in circulation. It reduces safety for everyone, especially the gun owners.

Post by phatskat » Wed, Oct 18, 2023, 11:09 AM UTC

slim wrote: post #370

senderista wrote: post #199

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When I learned that I was suspicious that Chauvin was settling some personal score (and that explained why Floyd seemed to believe that Chauvin was going to kill him), but I don't know if any evidence for that came to light. Possibly an under-investigated angle, I'm not sure.

if you recognize someone from a previous job, even if he committed a crime, would you kill him if he did not represent any danger ?