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Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

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> I don't get this weird paranoia about salary privacy. Opening it up helped everyone negotiate. To be clear Im not asking you to dox yourself. You havent proven that you aren’t paranoid though, because we have no idea who those figures belong to.

With such a low rate for an experienced frontend dev I'm not surprised he is an advocate for salary transparency. Transparency can benefit those with lower and harm those with higher than median salary.

I'm more concerned about the societal impacts overall, personally. One, I'm not exceptional by any stretch, and have always just sought a median wage. Two, I never chased a high salary, and it saddens me that the industry has become so enshittified and dependent on predatory exploitation and speculatory bubbles to fuel crazy salaries. I don't think that's anything to be proud of. Our jobs aren't very hard relative to many other fields, and we don't contribute much to society as many other professions. We were just caught up in a gold rush. I'm hoping it stabilizes and communities become livable again. The way tech was headed was incredibly toxic.

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I’m opposed to disclosure laws that would be prone to expose the income of individual people. If Alice is the only SWEPR5 at a company, that proposal publishes her salary. If Bob is clearly the best SWEPR4, Cathy the middle, and Dave just barely got promoted to that level, their salaries are also individually published. I don’t object to good faith ranges being required in job listings, but I oppose anything that wou…

Why shouldn't Dave and Cathy know what Bob is earning? They're the same level, they should earn the same.

That's communism. In companies, one's salary is related with his/her output or salary negotiation skills.. Dave, Cathy and Bob could be in the same level, where the salary range fluctuates between 60k - 95k. Who is where, depends of the both factors mentioned above.

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Does everyone want their salary even more trivially scraped by Experian and packaged up into a data product? I'm sure all sorts of entities would like to know exactly what your income is.

> I'm sure all sorts of entities would like to know exactly what your income is. But it will be useless because they cannot play with it. Even now they ask you what your pay was.

E.g. landlords?

If I know exactly how much you make, I know exactly how much to raise rent.

Re: Leaked Microsoft pay guidelines – salary, hiring bonus, stock awards by level

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Because that information has benefits for labor as a whole. Conversely, "I want my salary to be a secret" isn't a good reason to keep it private and I don't see any good reason why it nerds to be private. Nobody is asking for what you jack off to, because it isn't relevant for salary negotiations and it's actually something that's reasonably expected to remain private. Nobody is asking about the rest of your life. Wh…

I am not “defensive”. I am merely pointing out that you don’t have any right to know any particular details about me, including my salary, no matter how “useful” you consider it to be.

And you don't have the right to absolute privacy and secrecy just because it's more convenient to you, especially when they're extraneous things like your salary and not your private life. Ridiculous.
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