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Re: Psytrance Guide

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Oh, boy. This post sent me way back in time, and I just realized psyshop closed its doors in 2021. It used to be my catalog for 0day psy mp3 to hunt in dc++ channels, where I used to hang for days, waiting for a slot to open. I think I still have some of those releases, and I sure was able to get a good chunk of Psytopia catalog. Dimension 5, Astral Projection, Infected Mushroom, Analog Pussy, Blue Planet Corporation…

I love Mystery of the Yeti. What a great couple of albums.

Surprised no Shpongle on the lists

Re: Psytrance Guide

#102

I was a psytrance DJ through much of the 00s and what a wonderful and diverse genre this is :) It takes some time getting used to though. My first listening experience I basically denounced it as "too hard" and noisy but my general love for electronic music made me keep listening and all of a sudden I was hooked. I listened to and played mostly goa-trance due to its very melodic nature, it really has something unique…

I'd recommend starting with "Are you Shpongled" personally.

More than Shpongle missing, I would have expected a sample from Hallucinogen (also Simon Posford's project) which predates Shpongle by a few years, and was at the forefront of the wave of Goa as it spilled over to the western world in its nascent years

Re: Psytrance Guide

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As other people have said, it's a shame that so much of psytrance relegates itself to being "electronic dance music", playing off the same clichés and subdividing itself so much such that the most minute production details are catalogued. While you could reasonably say that about any electronic genre, Psytrance really ups the level of having any given median track sounding indistinguishable. Yeah, the sound design experimentations are cool; yeah, it's a good sound... but I wish I would actually remember it for _something_ specific it does well.

In general, I think I miss the songwriting aspect most. Infected Mushroom really nailed it, which is why they're so popular. Nowadays, I can only find the Japanese doujin music scene among those that regularly mix and match psytrance with various other genres.

A few other recs going more in that direction:

- Talpa (https://sundancerecords.bandcamp.com/album/when-the-somberne...)

- Jerico's Law (https://juno909.bandcamp.com/album/another-law)

- Migma Shelter (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l3dfWAOgloDDde... -- j-pop psytrance!)

- Hilight Tribe (https://hilighttribe.bandcamp.com/album/temple-of-light)

- Koxbox (https://koxboxmemo604.bandcamp.com/album/the-great-unknown)

- Hallucinogen (https://hallucinogenmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-lone-derang...)

- And finally, the best hi-tech work I've ever heard. Sephax - Electric Currents (https://alice-drecords.bandcamp.com/album/sephax-electric-cu...)

Re: Psytrance Guide

#104
I really enjoyed reading Ishkur's hyper-precise, super narrowly focused description of the trance genre, posted again yesterday (https://music.ishkur.com/).

I wanted to share it in to see how others react to it.

genre: Trance also: Trance scene: Trance emergence: early 90s Trance is the second most misattributed genre in all of electronic music (after Techno). If I asked you to give me a list of the best Trance DJs, all of them would be wrong. Because 1) You shouldn't have a concept of "best Trance DJs" and 2) Unless you have a copy of Harthouse or Eye Q's early catalogue on vinyl you probably don't know any actual Trance DJs. You probably don't know what Trance is either.

So what, exactly, is Trance and where did it come from?

As direct as I can put it: Trance was an offshoot of German EBM in the late 80s and early 90s and was probably coined in 1991 by Mark Reeder of MFS Records (although the word had been bandied about for several years before then). And we know this because he tells us as such in this 1993 documentary about the early Trance scene:

That first literal needle drop is Secret Knowledge - Sugar Daddy -- a "fine example of trance music". Trance proper is a term that only applies to this short-lived style of music in Germany and the UK (and to a lesser extent the US) before it got ripped apart and pulled in different directions for different reasons, mangling its reputation beyond recognition. And that is all Trance should refer to and nothing else.

The principle behind Trance was the unresolved, infinite track, with interweaving elements and layers and a ceaseless beat carrying it along like a metronome.

Like a lot of early electronic music (and like all good electronic music), Trance borrowed heavily from the aesthetics of Minimalism and it disdained the usage of the dull verse-bridge-chorus format of pop songcraft. In the hands of a competent DJ Trance sounds like one long song, unceasing and unwavering, all night long. A single arpeggiating synth lead with phaser sweeps is all it really needs.

That's not to say that Trance does not have hooks or melodies, or even anthems of the next-day-washing-the-dishes-whistling-to-yourself variety, or that it should not have breakdowns. They're just not supposed to dominate Trance to an insufferable extent.

Trance is best when it lives up to its namesake: It entrances you. Anything else it tries to do (like make you cheer on the douche jockey or put your arms in the air) is fucking offensive.

Unfortunately there is a common tendency among critics and historians to find a number of similar attributes in a specific media, group them into a genre, and then go back in time and retcon other things with those attributes as the same genre despite the fact that the people in those eras did not and would not have called it that.

This happens a lot in things like books and movies (for instance: the Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope coined in 2007 and then retconned to include Audrey Hepburn movies from 50 years ago) and it also happens in music.

And in electronic music's case it has happened most often with Trance.

There are a lot of things in the past that have been called proto-Trance or indicated as having a great influence on Trance, from Giorgio Moroder's galloping synths to the electric body buzz of Liaisons Dangereuses to the experimental minimalism of Pink Floyd - On The Run to even some Trance forerunners like Psychic TV or The KLF. But none of those are really Trance.

There is also a tendency among music magazines and fans to continuously call something that someone made Trance because they previously made Trance even though it's clearly evident that they have long since moved on from the sound and have no interest in returning to it, like Ferry Corsten's Electrohouse dumbassery, or whatever stupid shit Armin is trying to do, or Tiesto's pitiful attempts at trying to make Trouse happen. But none of those are really Trance either.

This is also why you should stop following these dipshits like they're rock stars. Listen to Trance because you like Trance, not because you hero worship Dutch superdorks.

And then there are the watered down pop offshoots of Trance (including Eurotrance and Vocal Trance) that you often hear in clothing stores at the mall. None of that is Trance either. That's not what this genre is. Ferry, Armin, and Tiesto are not here.

Listen to what real Trance should sound like. Trance as a concept was so fragile it obviously could not and did not last. As with most things in electronic music, things go to shit when the Dutch get hold of it. The descendents of Trance -- Progressive Trance, Hard Dance, Psy Trance, Eurotrance -- all sold it down the river in their own unique way.

When I think of pure Trance music, I really don't think of anything past 1994. There are some exceptions but generally all Trance music has been commercial pop drivel since the late 90s. I blame Oakenfold.

Ish.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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post #83
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laugh all you want, when I was like 12 years old my family was into this weird techno-pseudoscience-cult of "Ramtha's school of enlightenment" and they have the biggest trance/shamanistic playlists, we had these long ceremonies of hours of dancing while listening to music like this and drinking red wine and smoking tobacco on pipes. I guess if it wasn't for the alcohol I would have remembered all these amazing songs…

Ramtha's School of Enlightenment used to come to a university I used to work at between sessions while the students were away. They would have a section of paddock fenced off and would wander around it blindfolded making "PSSHHTT" noises to stop running into each other (I assume). They definitely seemed like a peculiar bunch.

Even seated you would make these psssshhht sounds of pushing air out, you would end up sweating from a meditation session because your muscles would also be contracted as you focus on the hand position in your chest... In your mind you have to visualize words backwards and breath them out letter by letter... I still laugh at the "so be it" that has to be said with absolute certainty for your wishes to come true

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Something strange is how prevalent listening to trance music seems to be amongst people doing deep work or study. I personally get my best work done when there's a good trance mix and no voice/intelligible conversation. I almost can't solve the harder types of problems if I'm not listening to trance.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

thanks, my only comment on this topic was going to be "where can I find more like shpongle". Well, I guess the second comment would be "when will somebody make a Generative Shpongle?"

Walter Ego, Celtic Cross, Ott, Globular, Entheogenic, Younger Brother, Desert Dwellers, Jaia, Western Rebel Alliance, and the list goes on If Simon Posford is involved, give it a listen. Much better than some “AI” generative model

I highly recommend Posford's "The Herb Garden" from Mystery of the Yeti Part 2 (released as a Hallucinogen track before he seemingly switched to doing all of his chiller music with Raja) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nce44osPpE

Celtic Cross, Ott, and Entheogenic are phenomenal as well.

I'd recommend Third Ear Audio, Carbon Based Lifeforms, Kuba (specifically the album Through a Lens), Phutureprimitive, Saafi Brothers

If you're ever looking to put on a few hours of something and want an epic thematic journey spanning 2 albums, try "When the silence is..." by Koan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBksiW_3dCY

edit: I'm not sure what genre this fits under, but the album "Deliverance" by Culprate reminds me a lot of Shpongle in ways that it has no right to, since... I'm pretty sure it's not psychill/psytrance

Re: Psytrance Guide

#109
When I was 10 we got a CD player and one of the first CDs I owned - I bought a music magazine with a free cover disk - it happened to be the entire The Lone Deranger by Hallucinogen - through most of my teens I didn't really have a preference, but when I got to 18 I discovered clubs, and it likely had an effect on me liking techno and PsyTrance at the time which I prefered.

In 2001 I spent a year in The Netherlands and went to warehouse parties in the North, at that time abandoned warehouses (also at that time Amsterdam was full of squats which are now > €1m flats) - it was both weird and an amazing time.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laugh all you want, when I was like 12 years old my family was into this weird techno-pseudoscience-cult of "Ramtha's school of enlightenment" and they have the biggest trance/shamanistic playlists, we had these long ceremonies of hours of dancing while listening to music like this and drinking red wine and smoking tobacco on pipes. I guess if it wasn't for the alcohol I would have remembered all these amazing songs…

Can you elaborate on your experience at Ramtha, and what lasting effect it had on your psyche/moral compass?

The bad: I was an alcoholic and smoked from age 12 to age 30. The community builds a level of arrogance that they have access to special knowledge because they are in a specific stage in the evolutionary "destiny". Breaking bonds with other family/friends is almost needed because you don't hear their points anymore, just like scientology or other closed sects, not sure their proper name. You think you have a guardian angel too that your destiny is to survive and become enlightened and you shouldn't have fear, I had a couple of near death experiences because of this false sense of security, plus the constant wine drinking... The good: they pack a lot of trigonometry and algebra but then they teach you "sacred geometry"... They also teach basic quantum mechanics basics, but then teach you that the observer effect is controlled by our minds, or that you can transform a carrot into gold... So somethings are useful... I'm still recovering from these cults, it's crazy how much our minds can change, therapy takes a while to take and forgetting/re-learning also takes its time, as it should...
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