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Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by an_aparallel »

dekhn wrote: post #15
macNchz wrote: post #11

I’ve enjoyed listening to psychedelic electronic music while programming since discovering Shpongle twenty years ago. I feel like it helps my brain get into the right mode somehow. I’m not familiar with the definitions of a lot of these sub-taxonomies but interested in listening to them! I have a coding playlist I’ve put together over the years that is more towards the psybient/chillout end but includes some trance a…

thanks, my only comment on this topic was going to be "where can I find more like shpongle". Well, I guess the second comment would be "when will somebody make a Generative Shpongle?"

Shulman is one of my favourites - i wish they still made music. Incredible incredible music - not just for psytrance, just in general. Also recommend Bluetech.

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Post by an_aparallel »

unethical_ban wrote: post #9

Is there something like this I can find for techno/trance/acid etc.? BPM, example songs, where to find more, lineage This site is awesome.

digging on discogs is great for electronic music imo. check out Telekom Beats TV on youtube - amazing german music channel. Their blind test is amazing. You'll get loads of recommendations. on discogs though if you enter a year range + combo of genres - then just listen to the results - you'll get some great recs imo!

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Post by bangkoksbest »

ericyd wrote: post #29

I have never understood why psytrance subgenres are so focused on BPM range. There is so much more to music than the tempo, it has always felt overly reductive to me. I had a friend who was a psytrance producer and even hearing him talk at length about it, I was never convinced that BPM was a critical differentiator. Also respectfully I think categorizing a subgenre as falling within 4 BPM is outrageously too narrow.…

Because it's how DJs connect tracks together. That's the target audience for purchasing psytrance, and most electronic dance music, tracks.

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ericyd wrote: post #29

I have never understood why psytrance subgenres are so focused on BPM range. There is so much more to music than the tempo, it has always felt overly reductive to me. I had a friend who was a psytrance producer and even hearing him talk at length about it, I was never convinced that BPM was a critical differentiator. Also respectfully I think categorizing a subgenre as falling within 4 BPM is outrageously too narrow.…

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Post by hutzlibu »

ericyd wrote: post #29

I have never understood why psytrance subgenres are so focused on BPM range. There is so much more to music than the tempo, it has always felt overly reductive to me. I had a friend who was a psytrance producer and even hearing him talk at length about it, I was never convinced that BPM was a critical differentiator. Also respectfully I think categorizing a subgenre as falling within 4 BPM is outrageously too narrow.…

"Many casual listeners cannot even detect such a small change in tempo."

Maybe not consciously, but their heart can probably (literaly) feel it and react differently, which is what this is mostly about. And in general I totally agree, that there is way more to music than tempo and I am only partially into anything techno as I like more instruments and variations, but with electronic dance music the rhythm simply matters the most for dancing.

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Post by rogerclark »

ericyd wrote: post #29

I have never understood why psytrance subgenres are so focused on BPM range. There is so much more to music than the tempo, it has always felt overly reductive to me. I had a friend who was a psytrance producer and even hearing him talk at length about it, I was never convinced that BPM was a critical differentiator. Also respectfully I think categorizing a subgenre as falling within 4 BPM is outrageously too narrow.…

Casual listeners can't detect it, but it strongly affects the possibility space for production purposes. For instance, if you're writing happy hardcore music at 170+ BPM with a kick drum on every beat, you will get surprisingly little time between those kicks to work with the bass and other instruments. While this is a somewhat extreme example, even something like the difference between 128 BPM and 138 BPM can change what you're making. A commercial house track produced at 128 BPM may sound like 90s Eurodance when played at 138. Similarly, a deep house track produced at 122 might feel like radio EDM when played at 128.

While you could certainly make psytrance at 150 BPM, it's going to pack a different punch. You'll make different decisions about what works and what doesn't, and then it's going to end up sounding even more different from the rest of the 138 PBM psytrance -- oops, you've shifted genres. Slow it down to 110 and then people aren't dancing to the track quite the same way anymore. Try dancing to the same song at 100 BPM and then at 120 BPM... you'll notice the difference immediately. Tempo isn't everything, but it's much more than just a number.

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Post by dzolob »

Oh, boy. This post sent me way back in time, and I just realized psyshop closed its doors in 2021.

It used to be my catalog for 0day psy mp3 to hunt in dc++ channels, where I used to hang for days, waiting for a slot to open.

I think I still have some of those releases, and I sure was able to get a good chunk of Psytopia catalog.

Dimension 5, Astral Projection, Infected Mushroom, Analog Pussy, Blue Planet Corporation, Mistery of the Yeti, Shiva Chandra…

I miss my Spirit Zone Records shirt.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by sebosp »

ericHosick wrote: post #2

It's great to see a link specifically about Psytrance on Hacker News. I enjoy trying to understand how Psytrance is made and if that is something you find interesting too checkout @Projector_music on youtube (no affiliation).

I would love to learn about this... Specially in the era of demucs, maybe some python automation to ableton live tracks that we can modify through the day slightly? I have playlist with dozens of 1+ hour videos on YouTube of psytrance and I find them so enjoyable, full of bass and good for focusing (granted there's the obligatory 1 minute muttering in the song of Terrence McKenna but OK, if psilocybin helped them create these amazing songs then so be it )

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by dzolob »

macNchz wrote: post #11

I’ve enjoyed listening to psychedelic electronic music while programming since discovering Shpongle twenty years ago. I feel like it helps my brain get into the right mode somehow. I’m not familiar with the definitions of a lot of these sub-taxonomies but interested in listening to them! I have a coding playlist I’ve put together over the years that is more towards the psybient/chillout end but includes some trance a…

Try Hallucinogen’s In Dub, and In Dub Live.

I once saw Simon in a massive rave as Hallucinogen from 4am to 8am and Shpongle from 12pm to 3pm. Those Gamma Goblins still travel trough my spine.

Re: Psytrance Guide

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Post by nine_k »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #16
ericHosick wrote: post #2

It's great to see a link specifically about Psytrance on Hacker News. I enjoy trying to understand how Psytrance is made and if that is something you find interesting too checkout @Projector_music on youtube (no affiliation).

Any chance you typo'd that? I can't find it.

Maybe @projektor_music; seems to match the genre.
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