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Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Post by salamanderss »

wolverine876 wrote: post #148
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, that ship has long sailed for the US. Second amendment and all.

The Second Amendment is centuries old. The current interpretation of it is only a decade or two old. For centuries before that, other interpretations prevailed - the oddball is the current radical one. If one more person tells me 'the ship has sailed' or some other hopeless cliche of the moment - yes, the smart trend of the moment is despair! - about anything .... The radical gun people sure don't think that way, and…

You could mail order a machine gun until the 1930s and nonviolent felons could buy guns up until the 60s ( violent ones too a few decades before that ). Not much to challenge federally on some of these points until recent history.

Also the bill of rights werent fully incorporated upon the states until well past the signing of the Constitution. In this context it's kind of silly to compare backwards vs many regulations that simply didn't exist or had no incorporated protection.

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Post by uoaei »

fzeroracer wrote: post #106
voakbasda wrote: post #91

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The only candidates are those steeped in the systematic corruption. I have never seen an outsider even run.

Usually that's because the local PDs exercise their union coffers to ensure that candidates are a minimum level of friendly. If not, there are multiple cases where the police have either directly threatened a candidate or simply did a work stoppage in order to craft a narrative.

You can see this in clear view in the recent cases of Boudin and Price in the SF bay area.

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Post by h2odragon »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #249
h2odragon wrote: post #33

I know of a local Volunteer fire Dept that went that way; started having the head guy and a couple of his big cousins go around and tell people how much the VFD needed support, and how flammable their house or business looked. Couple months after that started, the guy's house burned down. I heard the trucks came out twice, the second time there were more people responding and the police got into the guy's barn with a…

I am very confused by your story. Who's house burned down? the head of the VFD? If so, I agree that vigilante justice is one underappreciated ways that social norms are enforced.

Correct, the head of the VFD had his house burn down. The 2nd fire starting after they'd been out there once already the same night made me suspicious, but i never heard nobody brag about it.

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Post by yterdy »

claar wrote: post #197
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #131

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I am not envisioning any society in particular. Instead, I would ask you a question. It's a little contrived, so bear with me. Imagine a situation that you could plausibly find yourself in where you would feel the need to contact the police. It need not be a 911 call, though those are fine too. Imagine how that would go down... the time of day you contact them. Where you would be when it happened. How you would descr…

May I assume you don't live in the US midwest Bible belt? A friendly officer drove 10 minutes to pull out a slim jim and unlock my car for me. I thanked him. Normal stuff. A lady's car broke down in an intersection. A police car put their lights on to keep us safe while 3 or 4 random people pushed the car to safety. I often call dispatch to report accidents, debris on the road, or anything else that would warrant pol…

>May I assume you don't live in the US midwest Bible belt?

You can assume they're not white. (Or that they've experienced economic insecurity.)

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Post by salamanderss »

hnlmorg wrote: post #67
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #40

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Sadly, that ship has long sailed for the US. Second amendment and all.

It’s an amendment. The name says it all: it can be amended. The issue isn’t that the constitution cannot be changed. It’s that people are brainwashed into thinking it shouldn’t change.

It won't be anytime soon because this desire is more concentrated in a few highly populated states and the less populated rural states can stonewall it. Hence the desire to fight over the meaning of the second rather than amend and clarify it.

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Post by 1123581321 »

chaps wrote: post #236
senderista wrote: post #192

If you find these corruption allegations hard to believe, I lived on the South Side of Chicago in the late 90s, and cops there expected to eat for free wherever they went and blew through stop signs and red lights like they weren't even there. (I have never seen this kind of police behavior anywhere else I've lived, which includes downtown Seattle.) Oh, and I had a detective tell me once (after they'd found the guy w…

Can you share more on the shotgun stuff? Was that recently?

There was a famous case about their confessions obtained through torture. https://chicagotorture.org/reparations/history/

That link doesn't mention the guns in mouths, but I remember that technique from at least one article about those Chicago police.

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Post by hedora »

thedaly wrote: post #49

> Santamaria was later required to come up with security plans outlining the number of officers needed per night. The officers insisted on getting paid cash, she said. She feared if she didn’t oblige, she’d lose her license. > Eventually, another officer helped schedule off-duty work: Derek Chauvin. He worked security at her club for 17 years. > ... > She sold the club in 2019. When Santamaria saw Chauvin pinning Geo…

I wonder what combination of "they get shot with a gun lifted from an evidence locker" and "the IRS descends upon the local police department for widespread tax evasion" would have happened if the victims of the shakedown rackets simply reported the cash payments like any other wages.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

DonnyV wrote: post #57
MattGaiser wrote: post #43

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Given the shortage of cops, I am not sure there is the appetite for this. Politically, cops shaking down businesses people associate with trouble seems more palatable than exacerbating the police shortage.

Here one solution that could fix shortage and quality in police departments. I see a lot of college educated people that can't find jobs. Raise the requirement for being a cop to need 2 to 4 years of college and hire all the college people looking for work. That will also fix most of the corruption problems. I bet a lot of college graduates would kill for a pension right about now.

I dont understand your solution. College educated people dont want to become cops now - despite the pay and pension.

How would adding a college degree requirement make more people want to do it?

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Post by salamanderss »

rpmisms wrote: post #229
Justsignedup wrote: post #13

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I don't think this point gets plastered everywhere in the entirety of the world enough. Most humans don't want to shoot other humans. The few who have murder fantasies do, but other than that nobody wants to take a life. The concept of just arming everyone isn't a positive nor even a remote solution.

I don't want to shoot other humans. I've been in a situation where I nearly needed to, and I'll never fail to be equipped to do so. I had to shoot a cat about a year ago, and I'm still a bit fucked up about it. A human would be so much worse, and that's not something I want to experience.

The idea of shooting an innocent cat, even when needed to end its misery, is far more disturbing to many/most vs say shooting a hamas terrorist.
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