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Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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If you find these corruption allegations hard to believe, I lived on the South Side of Chicago in the late 90s, and cops there expected to eat for free wherever they went and blew through stop signs and red lights like they weren't even there. (I have never seen this kind of police behavior anywhere else I've lived, which includes downtown Seattle.) Oh, and I had a detective tell me once (after they'd found the guy w…

isn't that normal behavior for law enforcement?

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Let me guess - the honky tonk doesn't have to, but if you're booking rap acts....

which group has more crime/bad behavior on average? regardless of act, you ramp up security accordingly.

You should look into overpolicing and how it impacts those summary statistics; in brief if you look you will find someone breaking a law but bad behavior in one group gets ignored as an exception whereas in another group each incident is treated as emblematic and needing strong corrective action.

In my experience both groups are full of pretty similar young men, which makes questions like yours pretty obviously loaded; why are you expecting one to be measurably different?

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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That sounds so far from the realm of being in anyway necessary, and not just outright racketeering that you/your friend should contact local media, the DOJ or both.

That’s a good way to get your business license paperwork lost. Edit: not sure why the downvotes here. If you’re a small business owner you are trying to get through your day and your day gets a lot longer if you piss off casually corrupt city officials who can shut your business down by slow walking needed paperwork. This is a group that happily added 200% to your operating costs via ransoming your business license f…

I think that if what you were describing was true, a federal DOJ investigation would result in a lot of people spending time in federal prison, and your friend walking away with enough money that your friend can drone all he wants from a private beach in the Bahamas while you both sip mai tais.

So yes, they can retaliate against your friend. And your friend can retaliate against them and the difference is that their retaliation will cost your friend a few hours and a few hundred bucks, but your friend's retaliation will put them behind bars and destroy their careers and probably imperil their pensions.

So if your story is true, contact the DOJ.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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This is a pretty shady looking protection racket -- "nice business you've got here, be a shame if something were to happen to it". With the difference from traditional gang/mafia activity just being that they'll get the government to remove your business license, rather than burning the place down. Similarly, I once got a speeding ticket while driving through Kansas, and was instructed by the ticketing officer on how…

This is also a favorite tactic in Mexico.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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And provided inexpensive goods to the masses.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/walmart-effect.asp

I shop at Walmart now and then, and benefit from the low prices. So does everyone else who shops there.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Funny how the list of exceptions for the other 9 amendments in the bill of rights (well ok maybe not #3) is neverending

"The right to an abortion is not explicitly and specifically in the Constitution, therefore it doesn't exist". (I recognize some of the "issues" with Roe v Wade, tangential/orthogonal to that of access to medical services...) "The right to purchase arms is not explicitly and specifically in the Constitution, but must exist despite that, because how else could you bear arms?" Just like how, for Justice(hah) Thomas, sa…

>Just like how, for Justice(hah) Thomas, same-sex marriage is a state's right/decision, but interracial marriage... isn't.

Banning interracial marriage was deemed unconstitutional based on the 14th amendment. The 14th amendment doesn't have any text about same-sex marriage. That's why it's left up to the states. (10th amendment)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourteenth_amendmen...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/tenth_amendment

>Why do several Supreme Court Justices state that they are originalists, and the Constitution is sacrosanct, when the very people who wrote it said that it wasn't, and was to be "reviewed and updated to the needs of the times as a living document"?

The constitution has methods to amend it, that's what a living document means, not that some political party gets to decide what it means on a whim.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Fascinating to learn that George Floyd and the cop who murdered him worked at the same nightclub for a while, and that the cop ended up also being charged for not paying taxes on the ~10k he earned under the table at the nightclub.

> Prosecutors said Chauvin failed to pay taxes on $95,920 he earned doing security for El Nuevo Rodeo between 2014 and 2019. Its actually closer to 20k/year.

I misread the comma location! Wow, $100k in cash over 5 years.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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Sadly, that ship has long sailed for the US. Second amendment and all.

It’s an amendment. The name says it all: it can be amended. The issue isn’t that the constitution cannot be changed. It’s that people are brainwashed into thinking it shouldn’t change.

It's obscene how angry "constitutionalists" get about doing something that was so important to the very fabric of the constitution that they did it ten times by the end of the convention, including the literal "Bill of rights" which was considered essential.

Almost like they don't actually care about the constitution.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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I know of a local Volunteer fire Dept that went that way; started having the head guy and a couple of his big cousins go around and tell people how much the VFD needed support, and how flammable their house or business looked. Couple months after that started, the guy's house burned down. I heard the trucks came out twice, the second time there were more people responding and the police got into the guy's barn with a…

I am very confused by your story. Who's house burned down? the head of the VFD?

If so, I agree that vigilante justice is one underappreciated ways that social norms are enforced.

Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security

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So basically Marcus Licinus Crassus strategy for money making is still alive, 2000 years later.

What? There's no overlap between Crassus' strategy and the VFD's strategy as described above. The VFD asked you to pay recurring fees just in case your house ever caught fire, and when someone decided that was unlikely, they made it more likely by setting fire to his house. Note that in this strategy, if someone's house catches fire, that's bad for the fire department, and on top of that it looks like they just commi…

I thought someone burned down the VFD guys house in an act of vigilante justice.
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