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Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:22 PM UTC

goalonetwo wrote: post #35

HomeDeLaPot wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a smart entrepreneur he was to commit fraud!

messing up and defrauding that way doesn't negate the fact that you still need to be smart on some level(depending on your definition) to create an IT company. We should definitely punish the fraud. But also look at rehabilitation. In this case, we are taking someone that could under the right circumstance be a net positive for society and putting him in jail for 5 years where he will most probably come out as a dest…

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Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by overgard » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:22 PM UTC

autokad wrote: post #36

lalith_c wrote: post #2

Move to ipv6 already

ipv6 is such a failure. even if it eventually 'takes over', its still a failure. Its over engineered for something customers didnt ask for (an ip address for every grain of sand in the universe). There's something to be said about a human readable IP address. Where you can't tell a person the address, you have to copy and paste. where you cant infer any information about the IP address just by looking at it. It adds…

Is human readable IP that important though? I mean even though I know about CIDR it's still hard for me to intuitively think about it, and I will say by far the part of kubernetes I dislike the most is figuring out the networking layer design. I feel like the only reason we need human readable IP's in the first place is for understanding all this NAT stuff that we wouldn't particularly need if we had bigger IP ranges

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by chatmasta » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:22 PM UTC

boeingUH60 wrote: post #12

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

This highlights something tangential, but interesting nevertheless: Oftentimes getting embroiled in a civil lawsuit will, if impropriety is uncovered via the process of discovery, lead to separate criminal charges. The lesson here is that if you have something to hide, and it looks like you're going to be dragged into civil court (especially Federal civil court,) you should rush to settle or beg for arbitration behin…

Texan billionaire Robert Brockman sued an Australian for stealing $20 million from his trust in 2020 [1]. A few months later, he was indicted for hiding $2 billion of income from the IRS [2]. He died before trial took place anyway.. 1- https://amp.smh.com.au/national/australian-barrister-denies-... 2- https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ceo-multibillion-dollar-softw...

I wonder if the target of his civil lawsuit could have ratted him to the IRS and collected a whistleblower payment...

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by i_am_jl » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:22 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #16

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

This highlights something tangential, but interesting nevertheless: Oftentimes getting embroiled in a civil lawsuit will, if impropriety is uncovered via the process of discovery, lead to separate criminal charges. The lesson here is that if you have something to hide, and it looks like you're going to be dragged into civil court (especially Federal civil court,) you should rush to settle or beg for arbitration behin…

> or beg for arbitration behind closed doors Arbitration records aren’t protected from disclosure to law enforcement.

"Not protected from disclosure to law enforcement" is still better than "entered into the public record by default" as a result of being offered as evidence in a civil trial.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by floren » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:22 PM UTC

overgard wrote: post #47

Honest question, why are we not all just on IPV6 now? It seems like at this point almost all the underlying hardware and software should support it? It seems like the only argument for sticking with IPv4 is NAT, but I can't think of a technical reason we couldn't do NAT with IPv6?

NAT is a strong argument against IPv4 -- it's an absolute pain in the ass for bidirectional communication.

Yeah, NAT acts as a defacto firewall, but you can just... use a real firewall.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by autokad » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

staringback wrote: post #43

autokad wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ipv6 is such a failure. even if it eventually 'takes over', its still a failure. Its over engineered for something customers didnt ask for (an ip address for every grain of sand in the universe). There's something to be said about a human readable IP address. Where you can't tell a person the address, you have to copy and paste. where you cant infer any information about the IP address just by looking at it. It adds…

> It adds unnecessary overhead to small packets Are you forgetting that NAT exists? IPv4 is barely functional based on how many workarounds we've had to implement over the years

NAT means we can work with IPv4 already and makes IPv6 moot. you just supported my argument.

Honestly, all they had to do was add alpha characters. Just doing so would have gave us more IP addresses than we ever needed while keeping it human readable.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by dilyevsky » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

goalonetwo wrote: post #35

HomeDeLaPot wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a smart entrepreneur he was to commit fraud!

messing up and defrauding that way doesn't negate the fact that you still need to be smart on some level(depending on your definition) to create an IT company. We should definitely punish the fraud. But also look at rehabilitation. In this case, we are taking someone that could under the right circumstance be a net positive for society and putting him in jail for 5 years where he will most probably come out as a dest…

Retribution is an important component of an effective judicial system. It provides approximation of justice (yes) and creates deterrence. Also that was an IT company (or rather many companies) in name only. By that definition those patent troll holdings are “IT companies” too

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by HumblyTossed » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

overgard wrote: post #52

autokad wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ipv6 is such a failure. even if it eventually 'takes over', its still a failure. Its over engineered for something customers didnt ask for (an ip address for every grain of sand in the universe). There's something to be said about a human readable IP address. Where you can't tell a person the address, you have to copy and paste. where you cant infer any information about the IP address just by looking at it. It adds…

Is human readable IP that important though? I mean even though I know about CIDR it's still hard for me to intuitively think about it, and I will say by far the part of kubernetes I dislike the most is figuring out the networking layer design. I feel like the only reason we need human readable IP's in the first place is for understanding all this NAT stuff that we wouldn't particularly need if we had bigger IP ranges

> Is human readable IP that important though?

It kind of is, yes.

But at this point I'll take what I can get. Just give it to me already.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by cj » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

overgard wrote: post #47

Honest question, why are we not all just on IPV6 now? It seems like at this point almost all the underlying hardware and software should support it? It seems like the only argument for sticking with IPv4 is NAT, but I can't think of a technical reason we couldn't do NAT with IPv6?

The barrier for our company is that there's simply not much benefit to upgrading our AWS networking stack from ipv4 to ipv6. It's definitely doable, but there's no real benefit (especially when your infrastructure is behind Cloudflare (or any CDN) which adds ipv6 support for end users without needing the underlying infra to be ipv6.

Even if we were setting up a VPC from scratch, it would probably be ipv4 since it's what everyone knows how to easily do. There's a learning curve with deploying a ipv6 network and very little benefit when it's all behind a ipv6-enabled CDN.

Re: Tech CEO sentenced to 5 years in IP address scheme

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Post by c22 » Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

autokad wrote: post #36

lalith_c wrote: post #2

Move to ipv6 already

ipv6 is such a failure. even if it eventually 'takes over', its still a failure. Its over engineered for something customers didnt ask for (an ip address for every grain of sand in the universe). There's something to be said about a human readable IP address. Where you can't tell a person the address, you have to copy and paste. where you cant infer any information about the IP address just by looking at it. It adds…

Customers never asked for ip addresses at all. They're just a technical requirement for networking.