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Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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>Is fluoride in drinking water toxic? I thought they added it on purpose to help our teeth or something No, not toxic; you are correct.

It is toxic, it's rat poisoning. Do the lower levels of tooth decay outweigh the risks? So far they have decided yes in many places but that is changing (like lead pipes)

Dose is a part of poison. Water is toxic in high does, as is oxygen.

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Depends on the topic. If you're trying to prove (or, more accurately, fail to falsify) a certain set of results or a discovery, open data plus reproducibility should be the gold standard. If you're trying to make decisions about personal health, it pays to take a cautious approach (IMO) and let people decide for themselves. It is not inconceivable that commercial entities finance "peer-reviewed research" in order to…

I'm confused. I thought that reproducing a study was pretty much doing a peer review?

Peer review means someone knowledgeable about the subject read the paper and didn't spot anything wrong. They almost never attempt to reproduce anything.

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Definitely a good idea to filter drinking water in the US, make sure to get a filter that will filter out other toxic chemicals such as fluoride.

Is fluoride in drinking water toxic? I thought they added it on purpose to help our teeth or something

If there is one piece of scientific literacy that I wish the entire world had, it was the concept that toxicity is a function of dose.

Yes, fluoride is toxic. The EPA limit for fluoride is 4ppm, and that is probably too high (something like 2ppm would work better). There are parts of the country where the natural incidence of fluoride in groundwater is in excess of 4ppm, and therefore defluoridation needs to be done.

Fluoridation of drinking water is done to a standard of 0.5-0.75 ppm (US Public Health Service specifically recommends 0.7). Most of the country lives in places where the natural ground water concentration of fluoride is below this level, and thus fluoridation is necessary to reach the recommended level.

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Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.

> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto. Farmers love glyphosate because it kills weeds very effectively. It’s hard to exaggerate how much of a neat thing glyphosate was considered in the agricultural world when it appeared. That’s the reason it is used. Now, the reason it is produced and sold is that it is profitable for Monsanto, and regulation hasn’t stopped Monsanto.

Salt and vinegar can do the same. Chemically-intensive pollution and contamination of the food supply, air, soil, and water is a choice. But it's not a Hobson's choice. Go organic.

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Glyphosate kills far more than just weeds (whatever those are).

Glyphosate is well studied and affects cell paths that don't exist in humans.

Would you drink it?

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Glyphosate kills far more than just weeds (whatever those are).

Glyphosate is well studied and affects cell paths that don't exist in humans.

You may call it a weed, I call it my garden.

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> Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto. Farmers love glyphosate because it kills weeds very effectively. It’s hard to exaggerate how much of a neat thing glyphosate was considered in the agricultural world when it appeared. That’s the reason it is used. Now, the reason it is produced and sold is that it is profitable for Monsanto, and regulation hasn’t stopped Monsanto.

This sounds great, except it's been proven the glyphosate is not the ingredient that kills the most weeds, the "inert" ingredients when applied alone are vastly more effective. I always think it's funny when glyphosate apologists come out in droves to defend their favorite poison manufacturer. Maybe they actually drank the stuff when Bayer/Monsanto said it was safe to drink?

https://youtu.be/QWM_PgnoAtA?si=gI2oKECKHAgE9CKp

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it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

The amount of glyphosate being used in lawns is not contributing to glyphosate in water supplies. We're discussing industrial scales here.

Even at industrial scale not much is used on any farm. The standard dosage is measured in ml per hectare. It is heavily diluted with water and then misted on.

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it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

I need a ground cover my kids can play on. Clover is a really nice option. The tragedy is that it spreads like a weed, which means my neighbours must accept my choice or install some ridiculous barriers, harming the existing characteristic of us all using each other’s lawn as a common play area. It would be nice if clover was just kind of the de facto standard.

Clover is a nitrogen fixer and very useful mixed in with grass for that reason.
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