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Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by toomuchtodo »

quasse wrote: post #31
toomuchtodo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An actived carbon filter will remove ~99.9% of Glyphosate from water, if for human consumption. (source water from a ~100ft deep water table next to a large ag plot at a property, have both pre and post filter water tested to validate filtration effectiveness)

Do you measure concerning levels of glyphosate in the pre-filtration water? I've always been curious about this for the sake of my friends who live in rural areas near pesticide dependent farmers.

I send both a sample of raw water right off the well pump before going through any filtration as well as a sample of the filtered water that has gone through a 50 micron spin down filter, an iron and hydrogen sulfide filter, and then a three stage cartridge filter system (containing a 1 micron sediment filter, heavy metals filter, and active carbon filter), the output of which gets sent off as water supply to fixtures, appliances, etc. I have not noted concerning levels of glyphosate, but impurities can fluctuate and water tests are a snapshot in time of water quality.

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Post by SoftTalker »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #23
LesZedCB wrote: post #18

it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

Glyphosate would kill lawns too.

Yes Roundup will kill your whole lawn, if you apply it to your whole lawn. It will also spot-kill weeds if you apply it just to the weeds. You'll be left with a little dead patch that you can re-seed after a week or so.

I gave up on having a beautiful weed-free lawn a long time ago. The cost and time it takes to keep one is just not a good value for me. So whatever grows, grows. I mow it every couple of weeks.

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Post by burke »

hammock wrote: post #14
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely a good idea to filter drinking water in the US, make sure to get a filter that will filter out other toxic chemicals such as fluoride.

Is fluoride in drinking water toxic? I thought they added it on purpose to help our teeth or something

Fluoride in drinking water is a kind of truly marginal level of harm that’s perfectly designed to trigger paranoid libertarians.

A tiny amount of fluoride is helpful for bones and especially teeth. Fluoridated toothpaste covers this need perfectly, but many people don’t use it. Fluoride in drinking water covers this need also but (arguably) brings along small risks of symptoms of slight excess fluoride consumption.

The amounts that are actually put in drinking water do not seem to have any significant negative effects, and it seems reasonably clear that the population positive effects dominate, but being non-consensually subjected to a marginal risk of negative effect in order to achieve a positive outcome for the population is exactly the kind of thing that reliably provokes this kind of reaction from the paranoid libertarian set.

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Post by mvdtnz »

hammock wrote: post #33
mvdtnz wrote: post #24

This is not a very convincing connection. All they established is that glyphosate is hanging around in water wells longer than expected. There was no causal connection found, no dose-response, nothing. They didn't even test water sources in regions without the CKDu epidemic to falsify the hypothesis.

>They didn't even test water sources in regions without the CKDu epidemic to falsify the hypothesis They did... "the researchers found significantly higher levels of the herbicide in 44% of wells within the affected areas versus just 8% of those outside it."

Ah thank you, I missed that in my reading of the piece. I will need to dig into the study itself to see how significant the "higher readings" are and how closely they track CKDu, I won't have time for that until later today.

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

xpe wrote: post #45
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peer-reviewed research isn’t a great standard, imo, for many reasons. There are sources available, ultimately it seems to turn into an ideological battle. FAN [1] probably has the most links out to different sets of research. Really it comes down to making your own decision, which is why I don’t think it should be automatically added to the water supply. Fortunately there are options to remove it. [1] https://fluorid…

> Peer-reviewed research isn’t a great standard, imo, for many reasons. What is your recommended alternative?

Depends on the topic. If you're trying to prove (or, more accurately, fail to falsify) a certain set of results or a discovery, open data plus reproducibility should be the gold standard.

If you're trying to make decisions about personal health, it pays to take a cautious approach (IMO) and let people decide for themselves. It is not inconceivable that commercial entities finance "peer-reviewed research" in order to support public health policies.

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Post by [deleted] »

cj wrote: post #12
toomuchtodo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An actived carbon filter will remove ~99.9% of Glyphosate from water, if for human consumption. (source water from a ~100ft deep water table next to a large ag plot at a property, have both pre and post filter water tested to validate filtration effectiveness)

Any recommendations for where to get water tested for uncommon contaminants?

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Post by toomuchtodo »

cj wrote: post #12
toomuchtodo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An actived carbon filter will remove ~99.9% of Glyphosate from water, if for human consumption. (source water from a ~100ft deep water table next to a large ag plot at a property, have both pre and post filter water tested to validate filtration effectiveness)

Any recommendations for where to get water tested for uncommon contaminants?

Your local university extension should be able to provide this service at a reasonable cost ($100-$500, depending on what is being tested for). There are commercial water testing firms, but I do not have experience with any that I could recommend.

https://www.nifa.usda.gov/about-nifa/how-we-work/extension

https://www.isws.illinois.edu/health-environmental-applicati...

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Post by user3939382 »

Remember when Bayer (who now owns Monsanto) intentionally sold HIV infected blood in South America? The people that own these companies would sell their own grandmother for $5. They’re poisoning the world, as science and litigation they couldn’t buy their way out of has evidenced, and we get people on here “hacktually”ing their defense. Glyphosate is used for only one reason, it’s profitable for Monsanto.

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Post by sph »

Then we wonder why people feel so good on ultra-restrictive diets like carnivore. Animals benefit from having a chemical filtration system, called a liver, while all the vegetables and fruits claimed to be healthy are treated with all sort of nonsense that cause long term chronic disease, because we value perfect looking, plump vegetables.
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