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Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

people don't spray glyphosate on their lawns. it's a systemic non-specific herbicide that will kill your grass (or any other plant)

you might be thinking of dicamba or 2,4d which are much worse for the environment (and probably for you) and target broadleaf plants only (e.g. dandelions)

glyphosate is most used for cash crop farming, large quantities sprayed on "roundup ready" corn and soy that has been engineered to be immune to it

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

#22

Glyphosate is being found in US drinking water too: - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5486281/ - https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/environment/risk/... The common message is Glyphosate has a very short (ish) half life in soil. What happens when it enters the water table first?

Linked to Parkinsons and cancer.

And it's still for sale next to fertilizer in the home box store so you can spray your yard and poison your family.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

#23

it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

Glyphosate would kill lawns too.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

#24
This is not a very convincing connection. All they established is that glyphosate is hanging around in water wells longer than expected. There was no causal connection found, no dose-response, nothing. They didn't even test water sources in regions without the CKDu epidemic to falsify the hypothesis.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely a good idea to filter drinking water in the US, make sure to get a filter that will filter out other toxic chemicals such as fluoride.

Got any peer reviewed scientific studies that back up this claim?

Peer-reviewed research isn’t a great standard, imo, for many reasons. There are sources available, ultimately it seems to turn into an ideological battle. FAN [1] probably has the most links out to different sets of research. Really it comes down to making your own decision, which is why I don’t think it should be automatically added to the water supply. Fortunately there are options to remove it.

[1] https://fluoridealert.org/mobile-home/

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

#26
Let's just take a pause and consider some key information:

-This is an association study

-If we CTLR+F "cause", "causing", "causal", etc, the only mention of causation is with extremely high levels of flouride and another mention with extremely high levels of glyphosate and zebrafish

Now let's zoom way out, and consider the use of glyphosate in general. If you plot grain yields over time compared to herbicide use over time and fertilizer use over time, you can see one thing quite clearly. The use of synthetic inputs, along with plant breeding and genetic engineering, has saved humanity from starvation and allowed unhindered growth.

Any experienced agriculturalist knows this. Any experienced commodity trader knows this. All this talk about commercial farming needing to be eradicated is fantasy talk. There are trade-offs to everything.

When you consider cost/acre and calories/acre, it is also abundantly clear that for all its flaws, modern industrial farming is a technological marvel.

When you look back into the history of herbicides, you can consider glyphosate to be way better than many of the past options. So things are definitely getting better.

As for the demonization of glyphosate, I would say that most of this literature is just provocative headlines for the sake of grant funding. It's very trendy to claim that glyphosate is causing X,Y, and Z. We saw the same thing with MSG as a food additive, and are still dealing with the proliferation of bad science, bad messaging, and a sticky belief system within genpop.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is fluoride in drinking water toxic? I thought they added it on purpose to help our teeth or something

>Is fluoride in drinking water toxic? I thought they added it on purpose to help our teeth or something No, not toxic; you are correct.

the real debate is on whether the toxicity of fluoride outweighs the benefits of using it to prevent tooth decay.

we know that it can cause issues. there are also issues that have not been measured.

a lot of folks forget that unless the outcome of X is death or cancer etc ... it is often not studied. your quality of life can be greatly reduced by something but if it doesn't kill you then no one is looking at it.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

#28

it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

I need a ground cover my kids can play on. Clover is a really nice option. The tragedy is that it spreads like a weed, which means my neighbours must accept my choice or install some ridiculous barriers, harming the existing characteristic of us all using each other’s lawn as a common play area.

It would be nice if clover was just kind of the de facto standard.

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

#29
> But when glyphosate encounters certain trace metal ions that make water hard—like magnesium and calcium—glyphosate-metal ion complexes can form. Those complexes can persist up to seven years in water and 22 years in soil.

Isn't basically all water outside hard water? How did public health agencies miss this?

Re: Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease

#30

it's doubly stupid because you can eat dandelions which are one of the many "weeds" people kill with this shit to protect their useless-at-best lawns. kill your lawn. plant native shit.

Glyphosate would kill lawns too.

I just searched for "remove weeds from lawn" and while they do admirably suggest manual removal methods first, the last resort measures are indeed chemical herbicides, including specifically glyphosate
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