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NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by jiggawatts »

gustavus wrote: post #6
chrisco255 wrote: post #3

A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism. The 3D printing presses should remain equally free. If and when someone commits a crime with a piece of technology, that is when to charge them. We should not normalize the presumption of criminal intent, nor restrict even those that ha…

> A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism. That's an ancient document written by people who couldn't even concieve of modern day "assualt" style printers. We need common sense 3D printer control. There is no reason any person would ever need more than 4kg of filament, these hi…

The Onion breaking news: Criminals use "wood" to construct rifle stocks in their basement weapons labs, government to announce new legislation to require permits to own trees or purchase lumber.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

mediumdeviation wrote: post #45
NotACop182 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a major city and not once have I come across a violent crime using a 3D printed part. Most firearms used are stolen in the areas we have homicides. This legislation doesn’t make sense.

While I don't think the legislation make sense, I don't think it's not a problem. Here's some statistics: > Last year, police departments seized at least 25,785 ghost guns nationwide, the Justice Department said recently, and those are just the weapons submitted by police to ATF for tracing, even though they don’t have serial numbers and largely cannot be traced. > In 2021, the number of guns recovered was 19,344, me…

A ghost gun does not mean 3d printed.

It's just any gun without a serial number.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by user_7832 »

vasco wrote: post #37
user_7832 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what the HN guidelines are for commenting about other comments but if your earlier comment was in jest/sarcasm, it might help to add an /s

Or you could use your interpreting skills to detect it yourself.

I unfortunately am not the best at detecting sarcasm in real life, and infinitely worse online. Anyway, it appears his comment is no longer flagged/dead.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by ImJamal »

mediumdeviation wrote: post #45
NotACop182 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a major city and not once have I come across a violent crime using a 3D printed part. Most firearms used are stolen in the areas we have homicides. This legislation doesn’t make sense.

While I don't think the legislation make sense, I don't think it's not a problem. Here's some statistics: > Last year, police departments seized at least 25,785 ghost guns nationwide, the Justice Department said recently, and those are just the weapons submitted by police to ATF for tracing, even though they don’t have serial numbers and largely cannot be traced. > In 2021, the number of guns recovered was 19,344, me…

Not all ghost guns are 3D printed. There is a possibility that not a single one of those guns were 3D printed.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by derrherpson »

mediumdeviation wrote: post #45
NotACop182 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a major city and not once have I come across a violent crime using a 3D printed part. Most firearms used are stolen in the areas we have homicides. This legislation doesn’t make sense.

While I don't think the legislation make sense, I don't think it's not a problem. Here's some statistics: > Last year, police departments seized at least 25,785 ghost guns nationwide, the Justice Department said recently, and those are just the weapons submitted by police to ATF for tracing, even though they don’t have serial numbers and largely cannot be traced. > In 2021, the number of guns recovered was 19,344, me…

Ghostguns meant mostly-home-made a few years ago.Typified by 3d printed guns.

Recently (last 3 years) there has been an attempt at redefinition to include 80% guns (80% of work completed before purchase, end user does >60 min of work to complete it) and normal guns with their SN removed.

So now when someone quotes ghostgun numbers, they're mostly talking about normal guns with SN's removed.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by Spivak »

gruez wrote: post #49
akerl_ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lot of people forget that the word "press" in the phrase "freedom of the press" refers to an actual printing press, not the modern term that people confuse for corporate journalism. Can you cite that? It's pretty clear that freedom of "speech" isn't limited to literal verbal speech. I'm not sure I've ever seen the suggestion that the authors of the constitution were overly concerned with the literal mechanism of…

It's a reference to how a common talking point against gun rights is "there's no way the founding fathers would have imagined modern day assault rifles, therefore the 2nd amendment shouldn't apply to them"

This reasoning is a good live-demo of how politics has wormed its way into the current crop of judges due to the fact that this is a more than valid textualist argument that has been applied in other cases but you'll never see it actually argued by one for 2A. It really ought to be the progressive judges who make the case for 2A being expanded wider than the founder's could reasonably intend but they also won't argue it.

So we end up in this weird land because originalism and conservatism usually agree and so too progressivism and liberalism to the point where the lines of thought shape how more than the courts think of issues. But both sides end up having to do tricky mental gymnastics on this particular issue to resolve the two. But this is, of course, silly. It appeals only to the lizard brain who when faced with decisions far beyond the ability for humans to understand or are effectively arbitrary need a made up framework on which to post-hoc justify what are really just gut feelings.

When the answer to what path better is more obvious like "should people be allowed to buy a bazooka at Walmart" nobody is out here asking if the founders would have intended it, everyone just goes, "oh fuck no" and we move on.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by Spivak »

derrherpson wrote: post #55
mediumdeviation wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don't think the legislation make sense, I don't think it's not a problem. Here's some statistics: > Last year, police departments seized at least 25,785 ghost guns nationwide, the Justice Department said recently, and those are just the weapons submitted by police to ATF for tracing, even though they don’t have serial numbers and largely cannot be traced. > In 2021, the number of guns recovered was 19,344, me…

Ghostguns meant mostly-home-made a few years ago.Typified by 3d printed guns. Recently (last 3 years) there has been an attempt at redefinition to include 80% guns (80% of work completed before purchase, end user does >60 min of work to complete it) and normal guns with their SN removed. So now when someone quotes ghostgun numbers, they're mostly talking about normal guns with SN's removed.

I don't think anyone would really draw a distinction between these two cases as it applies to 3d printers. If the argument is that a tool is now on the market that made what used to be a high-effort activity into a low-effort one where you can now with some YT videos make less traceable guns then honestly, it kinda sucks in a ruining it for the class kinda way, but it actually seems somewhat reasonable to regulate them like firearms. If only so that the police know what doors to knock on if such a gun turns up.

Re: NY Bill Would Require Background Checks to Buy 3D Printers

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Post by williamcotton »

Loughla wrote: post #23
williamcotton wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about a future machine that has the possibility of 3D printing 20 MT nuclear weapons?

What purpose did this comment serve for you? What, honestly, were you trying to convey? I'm confused.

We should not normalize the presumption of criminal intent, nor restrict even those that have been convicted in the past from utilizing technology just because it could be used for evil.

The purpose of my comment? Reductio ad absurdum.

I’m quite surprised at the negative response to be honest. The original comment put no limits on their claims that “utilizing technology” should be regulated.

Do people not read comments as a linear progression of call and response?

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